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[rojac]

I have to admit that most of the things from CBC's HNIC that people seem overly attached to never meant much to me at all:

* Ron Maclean (too pretentious -- hate the depiction of hockey as having any deep cultural meaning)
* Don Cherry (too annoying)
* Tim Thompson's music videos
* After Hours

And there may be more.

And of Rogers' stuff, I really don't like Hometown Hockey.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I have to admit that most of the things from CBC's HNIC that people seem overly attached to never meant much to me at all:

* Ron Maclean (too pretentious -- hate the depiction of hockey as having any deep cultural meaning)
* Don Cherry (too annoying)
* Tim Thompson's music videos
* After Hours

And there may be more.

And of Rogers' stuff, I really don't like Hometown Hockey.

So you are saying hockey does not have deep cultural meaning to canadians?

Most people on the prairies and Maritimes will disagree

 

[rojac]

So you are saying hockey does not have deep cultural meaning to canadians?

Most people on the prairies and Maritimes will disagree

I think it's overplayed. And if true, it's kind of pitiful to make a silly game that important.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think it's overplayed. And if true, it's kind of pitiful to make a silly game that important.

Are you a born and bread Canadian? If yes how much time have you spent in the Praries, the Maritimes and in rural canada? A subburb is not rural


In small towns and much of Canada hockey unites

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think it's overplayed. And if true, it's kind of pitiful to make a silly game that important.

I see you are from Ont. That explains your lack of understanding for other places

 

[justafan22]

I think it's overplayed. And if true, it's kind of pitiful to make a silly game that important.

To non native Canadians, he's right, other sports are more important.

 

[rojac]

I see you are from Ont. That explains your lack of understanding for other places

You're talking about the Prairies and the Maritimes -- less than 25% of the Canadian population.

 

[rojac]

To non native Canadians, he's right, other sports are more important.

I wasn't talking about the popularity of the sport. Defining cultural identity by any sport seems silly to m.e But I have no issue saying that overall, hockey is the most important sport in Canada. It's when you start talking about hockey defining who Canadians are and that kind of crap that it bugs me. It's like saying more people drink Coke than Pepsi so Cake defines who we are.

 

[Jumptheshark]

You're talking about the Prairies and the Maritimes -- less than 25% of the Canadian population.

And that is where I catfished you. Sorry, I forgot to include Quebec and BC. Onterio, the center of the universe.

Fyi.

I now live in Wales. Born and raised in Canada. Hockey is the life blood for much of Canada where Ontario does not care about. Humboldt hit Canada hard for a reason

 

[SwaggySpungo]

Are you a born and bread Canadian? If yes how much time have you spent in the Praries, the Maritimes and in rural canada? A subburb is not rural


In small towns and much of Canada hockey unites

It’s not just those areas. . Hockey is a giant part of Quebec and Ontario culture as well.

 

[Jumptheshark]

It’s not just those areas. . Hockey is a giant part of Quebec and Ontario culture as well.

So you understand my point of someone trying to down play hockey and canadian culture

 

[stealth1]

In southern Ontario unless it's the Leafs, most don't care. Look at OHL in the golden horseshoe, the GTA teams don't draw many hockey fans. People here don't care much about jr hockey around here.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I see you are from Ont. That explains your lack of understanding for other places

Woah woah; Toronto is in Ontario but it is not Ontario. Southern Ontario is essentially the US.

 

[Blender]

So you understand my point of someone trying to down play hockey and canadian culture

Except that isn't what they did in any way whatsoever. They were downplaying the significance of CBC/HNIC coverage, and I fully agree with that sentiment. Most people I know outside of the GTA dislike HNIC on some level, because for a long time it was almost exclusively pro-Leafs in coverage. If you're a Canucks fan for example, there are countless examples of their games being scheduled for 4pm PST to accommodate Leafs coverage on HNIC. Most of their on air talent has been from Toronto, a Leafs fan, or an ex-Leafs player/staff.

Your strawman argument against criticism of HNIC about "hockey not having a deep cultural meaning to Canadians" is so absurd to barely warrant a response.

 

[Masked]

Woah woah; Toronto is in Ontario but it is not Ontario. Southern Ontario is essentially the US.

Hard no on that stupid statement. Southern Ontario is not just Toronto and none of it is essentially the US.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I wasn't talking about the popularity of the sport. Defining cultural identity by any sport seems silly to m.e But I have no issue saying that overall, hockey is the most important sport in Canada. It's when you start talking about hockey defining who Canadians are and that kind of crap that it bugs me. It's like saying more people drink Coke than Pepsi so Cake defines who we are.

Spend time outside of the big cities and you will see how hockey helps define and help them

 

[93LEAFS]

Spend time outside of the big cities and you will see how hockey helps define and help them

Rural and small towns account for less than 20% of Canada’s population though. So if it doesn’t define urban places, it wouldn’t define Canadian identity.

 

[Nino33]

Rural and small towns account for less than 20% of Canada’s population though. So if it doesn’t define urban places, it wouldn’t define Canadian identity.

Depends on how one defines "urban"

Even now (2011 data), after all the years of increase, the population of what I would call "big cities" (near/over 1 million) accounts for less than half of Canada List of the 100 largest population centres in Canada - Wikipedia Making the criteria 500K still results in less than 50% (making the criteria 250K makes it just over 50%)

P.S. Statistics Canada defines Urban as 1000 people or more urban definition canada - Google Search

 

[93LEAFS]

Depends on how one defines "urban"

Even now (2011 data), after all the years of increase, the population of what I would call "big cities" (near/over 1 million) accounts for less than half of Canada List of the 100 largest population centres in Canada - Wikipedia Making the criteria 500K still results in less than 50% (making the criteria 250K makes it just over 50%)

P.S. Statistics Canada defines Urban as 1000 people or more urban definition canada - Google Search

He specifically mentioned that he didn’t include suburbs. Golden Horseshoe which almost no one would count as small towns accounts for about 25% of Canada’s population alone. That’s before you get into places like Lower Mainland BC, and Montreal.

 

[hockey20000]

can we get rid of don cherry please? hes stayed 10 years 2 long...

 

[Nino33]

He specifically mentioned that he didn’t include suburbs. Golden Horseshoe which almost no one would count as small towns accounts for about 25% of Canada’s population alone. That’s before you get into places like Lower Mainland BC, and Montreal.

OK. He also said "big cities" and that's what you quoted and that's what I was responding to; I noted for myself big city means near/over a million...using that criteria the Golden Horseshoe has 1 big city

I also responded based on your saying "Rural and small towns account for less than 20% of Canada’s population though" and when I looked that up the criteria I found it said 80% of people live in urban settings is based on 80% of people live in communities with 1000 or more people canada city definition - Google Search



Personally I definitely think that hockey has a significant cultural meaning to many Canadiens . I think this is true looking at just Ontario, or just Quebec, or just BC...the population doesn't make a big difference in regards to this subject IMO

 

[varano]

In southern Ontario unless it's the Leafs, most don't care. Look at OHL in the golden horseshoe, the GTA teams don't draw many hockey fans. People here don't care much about jr hockey around here.

I concur. However what I will say is that Minor hockey is still very much so supported in affluent communities.

 

[Juniorhockeyguru]

You're talking about the Prairies and the Maritimes -- less than 25% of the Canadian population.

Toronto, the biggest American city in Canada.

 

[beh3moth]

Hard no on that stupid statement. Southern Ontario is not just Toronto and none of it is essentially the US.

i dunno i moved to sw ontario from northern ontario and i see just as many american flags as i do canadian around here, also people here travel to the states way more and have family/friends across the border

 

[Masked]

i dunno i moved to sw ontario from northern ontario and i see just as many american flags as i do canadian around here, also people here travel to the states way more and have family/friends across the border

Windsor or Sarnia?