Value of: Something happening with Jake Allen?

[Boss Man Hughes]

Its great how every Montreal trade involves a better team's players making Montreals players look better.

As usual you make no sense. Of course they would be trading with playoff teams.

 

[John Mandalorian]

As usual you make no sense. Of course they would be trading with playoff teams.

Theres always a welfare element to this. "Our guy doesnt look so great with us but you should ignore that and pay extra just because (eg Chiarot) your players will prop him up...oh and give us a prospect in addition to a pick.

Does that clarify it? Does this page from the playbook sound familiar?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Monty might get you something but I don't think Allen will.

Allen should. Most contenders don't have a backup as good. He is not great and he can't handle a full load but he is better than most contenders backups and some starters. So many teams have no goaltenders and gutless GM's that will wait to long and be stuck with the trash they have.

Theres always a welfare element to this. "Our guy doesnt look so great with us but you should ignore that and pay extra just because (eg Chiarot) your players will prop him up...oh and give us a prospect in addition to a pick.

Does that clarify it? Does this page from the playbook sound familiar?

And Charoot got top assets so you just contradicted yourself.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Its great how every Montreal trade involves a better team's players making Montreals players look better.

I would have thought that would be a logical conclusion if you trade from the basement to contender.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Allen should. Most contenders don't have a backup as good. He is not great and he can't handle a full load but he is better than most contenders backups and some starters. So many teams have no goaltenders and gutless GM's that will wait to long and be stuck with the trash they have.


And Charoot got top assets so you just contradicted yourself.

You must have missed something.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Is this a parody thread or what is this? Nothings been reported?

 

[Whalers Fan]

Allen does have a career .924% in the playoffs.

He hasn't appeared in a playoff game since 2020.

 

[yianik]

If he plays 10 or more games ( regular season, playoffs combined ) this season for the team we trade him to, Habs get a 3rd rounder. Otherwise Habs get future considerations ( meaning nothing ).

 

[ole ole]

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I would have thought that would be a logical conclusion if you trade from the basement to contender.

Some can't understand a logical conclusion.

 

[ole ole]

Is this a parody thread or what is this? Nothings been reported?

Your not a Hab fan but you post more than any other poster
[ including Hab fans ] in any Hab related thread.
Just get over it and come out of the closet. We all know your really are a Hab fan.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

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Some can't understand a logical conclusion.

Clearly

 

[John Mandalorian]

Your not a Hab fan but you post more than any other poster
[ including Hab fans ] in any Hab related thread.
Just get over it and come out of the closet. We all know your really are a Hab fan.

It's not that. It mostly stems from the Monahan to the Avs stuff. It would be a terrible acquisition but also not surprising given the Avs GM's recent propensity for getting players like this who are a bad fit. It's happened multiple times already and the possibility of it happening again is slightly triggering.

FYI - if there was a Habs player that fits with the Avs, it's Anderson but his contract makes it prohibitive. Very appreciative of Lehkonen and Drouin - both former Habs.

Nothing against the Habs. Theres also a certain degree of annoyance with the laziness of some in the Canadian media - namely Dreger in this recent instance. He's probably just spitballing names based on last year. But you can never be 100% certain.

 

[samsagat]

I hope Hughes doesn't get too greedy when it comes to Allen's return in a trade.

Afaic, as long as Habs get rid of the extra year of his contract, personally I wouldn't be too demanding.

An equivalent contract that takes end after the season?

He's not bad as a backup, would be a nice insurance policy for a team like L-A (exemple), that have no depth in terms of goalies.

 

[Habs10025]

Hughes doesn't need to trade Allen before the trade deadline

 

[samsagat]

Hughes doesn't need to trade Allen before the trade deadline

No, but hopefully Habs won't be stuck in a 3 goalies system again next season.

So if it doesn't happen before TD, it has to be next summer...

 

[Habs10025]

No, but hopefully Habs won't be stuck in a 3 goalies system again next season.

So if it doesn't happen before TD, it has to be next summer...

Hughes traded away Weber's cap hit with multiple years remaining without retaining he can trade Allen .

 

[LesCanadiens]

Value is in the tank after being pretty solid in relief of Price. Play has been going gradually downhill and has had some injuries. Not a bad guy in a backup role, especially to support and/or mentor a young starter. Not much value in real terms unless we take a contract dump in return and/or retain on his deal which is 3.85 mil until 2025. He has a NTC subject to his list of teams. I'd say for straight-up trade, we'd be very lucky to get a late 4th, but not likely. So not much value for JA at this point, IMO.

 

[Qwijibo]

It's not that. It mostly stems from the Monahan to the Avs stuff. It would be a terrible acquisition but also not surprising give the Avs GM's recent propensity for getting players like this who are a bad fit. It's happened multiple times already and the possibility of it happening again is slightly triggering.

FYI - if there was a Habs player that fits with the Avs, it's Anderson but his contract makes it prohibitive. Very appreciative of Lehkonen and Drouin - both former Habs.

Nothing against the Habs. Theres also a certain degree of annoyance with the laziness of some in the Canadian media - namely Dreger in this recent instance. He's probably just spitballing names based on last year. But you can never be 100% certain.

As opposed to American media who barely acknowledge the existence of the NHL

 

[StuckOutHere]

We need a something happening prefix for thread titles.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Habs are hurting Allen's value by playing him so little. How is he supposed to get in a rhythm and consisentency if he plays twice every 10 games. Since November he has 1 win in 10 games started and .885 save percentage.

 

[Scintillating10]

I hope Hughes doesn't get too greedy when it comes to Allen's return in a trade.

Afaic, as long as Habs get rid of the extra year of his contract, personally I wouldn't be too demanding.

An equivalent contract that takes end after the season?

He's not bad as a backup, would be a nice insurance policy for a team like L-A (exemple), that have no depth in terms of goalies.

Asking for a 2nd given the shortage of goalies not out of line.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Friedman was on Marek show said Hughes ask for Allen is just short of extortion

From Edmonton it was suggested a 1st and a top prodoect or 2nd. But this 2 months ago

 

[Fourier]

Allen should. Most contenders don't have a backup as good. He is not great and he can't handle a full load but he is better than most contenders backups and some starters. So many teams have no goaltenders and gutless GM's that will wait to long and be stuck with the trash they have.


And Charoot got top assets so you just contradicted yourself.

The problem is that most contenders do not have cap space to take on a $3.85M back-up with a year left without significant retention. The Leafs might be the one and only exception. The Habs would have to take back Samsonov. But even then is he an upgrade over Martin Jones right now for them to do this. Jones has a .924sv% in 14 games. And I am not so sure they would want that $3.85M on the books next year.

LA is looking at possibly $3M in bonus overages next year which would leave them with about $19M in cap space. Byfield and Allen together would eat up $11-12M.

 

[Scintillating10]

From Edmonton it was suggested a 1st and a top prodoect or 2nd. But this 2 months ago

Must been salary retained or bad contract coming back. Said on one of those media sites last week Hughes wants a second plus a throw in.

 

[Cogburn]

Didn't Vancouver just take a third banana goalie off of Montreals roster to start the year? Where do you guys keep finding back up goalies?!?!