How many Cups do the Islanders win if Potvin was not the available in that pivotal draft. He was the most anticipated defenseman entering the league since Bobby Orr. What if there was no Arbour, Bossy, Trottier? He presided over the Panthers but there was no similar success. Why is that? He was a Cup winning GM.
Torrey was a pivotal part of the Islander’s successful 4 Cup run. He was the architect. But he would laugh in your face if you suggested to him as you are doing now that it was all about him. That’s just absolutely ridiculous and I don’t think this is sinking into your head.
If you really think that winning a Cup is the criteria for a successful GM then ask Edmonton fans what they think of Peter Chiarelli. Maybe his success with the Bruins had more to do with the coaches and players on the ice than with anything he actually did. Stop trying to oversell that nonsense of yours.
Chiarelli hasn't won the cup with the Oilers. He hasn't iced competitive teams with the Oilers (yet). He hasn't been successful in Edmonton (yet). What's your point?
Florida won 3 playoff series and the team had the Cup Finals in Torrey's 3rd year of being GM of an expansion team. Snow's team finished in last place his 3rd year. In 3 years Torrey accomplished more with the Panthers than Snow did in a decade. That's what you're using to compare them together? Seriously, this makes no sense.
Again, you said I'm placing too much emphasis on one player and it takes more to win a cup (you then ironically do the same thing with Potvin), but when asked how many cups we win without Torrey you dodge the question. You dodge because you know the answer is "none", and every poster on this board knows the answer is "none".
You keep taking my words out of context. I never stated that it was all on the GM. Quote my post(s) where I say such. What I did say was that it takes the players playing well, the coaches coaching well, and it's the GM's job to them (players+coaches) in a situation to be successful. How is this inaccurate? Obviously they would have went on to have successful careers regardless of the team they played for-I'm not disputing that-but if Torrey doesn't make those two steals in the draft, we don't win any cups.
Torrey doesn't get much credit from me for drafting Potvin to be fair and honest (any GM would have done the same as you stated, it's also why I give Snow no credit for picking Tavares).
But since you mentioned Bossy (drafted 15th overall) and Trottier (2nd round pick)...how were those players being Islanders NOT Torrey's doing?
You just wrote a few posts above that if not for wins/losses how else are you suppossed to evaluate a GM. I’m only using your criteria and when I show you your logic is faulty you keep changing your story.
You give credit for all the players Lou brought in but you give him no credit for bringing in Barzal, Toews, Lee, Boychuk, Beauvillier, Mayfield, Martin, Cizikas to name a few. All the same players Trotz is using today and coaching to be successful against some of the best teams in the NHL. Why the double standard?
It’s all about winning. Give me a break!
Not changing my story at all. Professional sports are about one win: money (which comes from winning obviously). I mention winning, then mention winning cups and now you're saying that winning cups doesn't count as winning? What?
I get it, many have been drinking the Snow Kool-Aid seemingly for a while and have become content with mediocrity. Does anybody really think Snow will be hired as a GM for any other organization? Do you? If the answer is "no", I'd question just how good of a job you actually think Snow did.