What was the drastic change in ownership and management that preceded their 2004 World Series? I don't remember one. I remember Curt Schilling, that's about it, though.Another table that goes back to 1967...
Hey, the Red Sox have won the 4th most World Series'. They must have had no problems whatsoever with ownership and management over the past 110 years.
and 40 years later his team is the laughing stock of the league with no end is sight because he still thinks it's the 1970s
Nobody is taking anything away from what Snider did for this team. But the way he runs this team now, has killed us. We're a joke because he's still stuck in the 70s. His quote a few years back about how the Flyers "don't know how to rebuild" should tell you everything you need to know about Mr. Snider. Just look at all the past Cup winners since the 04-05 lockout. Aside from one winner (DET), what did the others do? They re-built through the draft and developed all of their players properly.
I respect Snider for everything he's done, but it's time to move on, and until he moves on, this team's grave will just keep getting deeper and deeper
What was the drastic change in ownership and management that preceded their 2004 World Series? I don't remember one. I remember Curt Schilling, that's about it, though.
For how long have the Flyers needed a fresh perspective? Since 2012? 2005? Surely not longer than that, if they need one at all..
This team is still in the mix thanks to the weak division (so far) this year, and they have the talent to salvage the season. Would Snider and Holmgren be exonerated, in your eyes, if they won a round or two in the playoffs?
It was his fault with signing Bryz in the first place that's the least he could do.
People make mistakes, but its important that someone does everything they can to correct whatever mistake they made. A bad owner would not be able to part with that amount of money with no return, and refuse to admit to making a mistake. Snider steps up and takes accountability like a man (losing millions), he doesn't give lip service like a politician.
Money and length being problems made the idea of getting Bryz less attractive than the alternative of developing Bob. Having to blow up the team partly to afford that contract makes it even less attractive.
People make mistakes, but its important that someone does everything they can to correct whatever mistake they made. A bad owner would not be able to part with that amount of money with no return, and refuse to admit to making a mistake. Snider steps up and takes accountability like a man (losing millions), he doesn't give lip service like a politician.
He really didn't do that either, he started to weasel out when it came apparent Bryzgalov was going to get the axe. He started to deflect blame & putting it on Homer while contradicting himself from what he said during the initial signing.
When times are tough he just wants people to know he's just the owner & listens to those around him but when times are good he likes to let everyone know he had a hand in it.
The guy is a hypocrite, I can't wait until Luukko takes over. A person who will give their money without their two cents.
Trading Richards and Carter, IMO, didn't have anything to do with affording Bryz. The Flyers could have madd much more minor trades to get Bryz in, it was more about breaking up the good-time-party-boy crew (I know, I know... Get the HFB attorneys on me for slander/libel).
I know people here refuse to believe this, but Snider and Holmgren have way more information available to make decisions on players than you. It is an entirely shocking reality... Have you ever stopped to think that when they made the decision on Bryz that they pretty much knew exactly what was going to happen with the new CBA? Specifically the buyouts. I'm sure Snider knew, to a point, what was going to happen and knew that if Bryz didn't work out it was a problem he could just throw money at to make it go away. The same holds true for Holmrgen not knowing, or just not caring, about the 35+ rule when signing Pronger. These guys don't sign contracts without exit strategies, especially for an issue as likely as injury.
"The young man knows the rules (HF Snider haters), but the old man (Snider) knows the exceptions." - Oliver Wendell Holmes
I did hate getting rid of Bobs, but could you imagine this team with Bobs but without Couts/Voracek?
No, Snider did that. He deflected blame away from himself publicly.
Without Coot's Voracek we would have a 35 goal scorer who's also good at defense. With Richards we would have an elite two way guy. We would be fine.
But in order to have them and also not have large holes elsewhere, the organization would have needed to build their team and handle their assets a lot more wisely than they did in the years leading up to the trade.
You act like it's unbelievable for posters here to know what they're talking about just because we aren't on the inside. If it's so unbelievable, how come so much of what has gone wrong in the last few years was predicted well in advance?
It was apparent long ago that Homer's asset and cap management was unsustainable. It was. That's only one instance where the people "in the know" were wrong and us among the unwashed masses were right.
Any help on where Snider deflected blame for Bryz?
Any help on where Snider deflected blame for Bryz?
And you act as if the owner and GM of an NHL team are stupid people. Which seems more likely:
A) A group of know-it-alls on the internet jump to a bunch of conclusions and know more than the 40 year professionals.
B) The owner and GM of an NHL club worth hundreds of millions of dollars are idiots.
I'm going with A.
As far as the Richards and Carter trades, why do you refuse to believe that the players had anything to do with them being moved? You are also still making the Richards/Carter trades the vehicle to bring Bryz here, which is speculation. The Flyers could have moved minor pieces to get Bryz here, they didn't ship out their top two players because they wanted Bryz.
Any help on where Snider deflected blame for Bryz?
And you act as if the owner and GM of an NHL team are stupid people. Which seems more likely:
A) A group of know-it-alls on the internet jump to a bunch of conclusions and know more than the 40 year professionals.
B) The owner and GM of an NHL club worth hundreds of millions of dollars are idiots.
I'm going with A.
So it was Snider's stale perspective that lost them the Cup the last 5 times they were in the final? When exactly did it go stale? How did they even get the chance to play in the Finals 5 times since 1980 with such a stale owner?
1 Cup appearance in the last 16 years, and they needed a shootout on the last day of the season coupled with one of the most miraculous comebacks in a playoff series ever just to get there.
the 80's is ancient history and this organization is rotten from the inside out and it starts up at the top...
of courseI thought winning was winning? Who cares if it took them a shootout and a miraculous comeback? They did it, didn't they?
Thanks for the link.
The whole perception of deflecting blame seems ridiculous until there is anything proving Snider forced Holmgren to sign Bryz specifically. We don't know that's what happened, and basically Snider said that he told Holmgren to get the best goalie at whatever cost. That is not the same as Snider forcing Holmgren to sign Bryz.
At the end of the day Snider still did everything he could to mitigate the damage done by Bryz, everything else seems to be supported by speculation that became truth because they were repeated so many times.
Exactly. All Snider wants to do is win, and he does everything he can to make that a possibility. That is pretty much the best you can hope for in an owner of a sports franchise. One who wants to win at all costs. Ok, he may have bungled the Bryz situation, but over the past 50 years or so, that's about all we can point to in terms of Ed bungling things. And, when you get down to it, the general consensus was that the idea to get Bryz was fine, it was just the length and money on the contract that was the problem.
As far as the Richards and Carter trades, why do you refuse to believe that the players had anything to do with them being moved? You are also still making the Richards/Carter trades the vehicle to bring Bryz here, which is speculation. The Flyers could have moved minor pieces to get Bryz here, they didn't ship out their top two players because they wanted Bryz.