All I keep hearing about this camp is who is going to kill penalties and it just feels like such nonsense. It really shouldn't be an issue to have your skill players kill penalties if the alternative is dressing shitty 5v5 players. No idea what Green's aversion to it is considering he was literally a skill player who learned to play defense to stay in the league
Claimed off Waivers: [SJS] Jonah Gadjovich claimed off waivers by the Sharks from the Canucks
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All I keep hearing about this camp is who is going to kill penalties and it just feels like such nonsense. It really shouldn't be an issue to have your skill players kill penalties if the alternative is dressing shitty 5v5 players. No idea what Green's aversion to it is considering he was literally a skill player who learned to play defense to stay in the league
That’s his job to coach up players. Plus Benning to give him guys who have the versatility to do that.
Also for kids coming up you do really need to develop your overall game and offer more to the table if you are not a top 6 caliber player.
good luck to Gadjovich.
hope he gets a shot in SJ.
And I hope he doesn’t get treated like Corrado who sat in the press box for long stretches. But was able to be sent down to the A on conditioning. Stupidest thing in the nhl that guys who are healthy scratched can be assigned down for conditioning without having to clear waivers if they are not exempt. Should be in IR first to go down without waivers.
That’s unfortunate for Van. Gadjovic could be a solid middle 6 asset… honestly he was off the radar, but has looked quite solid (nothing special) so far this training camp. Looks like he added a step, but will make his money standing in the blue, and has decent enough hands to collect loose picks and score goals from that area.
Looking at just Gadjovich I do wonder where is the best place for him to play and develop. Is it in the nhl or back in the A as he came to camp in much better shape.
like with Corrado, he was better served playing on the A all those years ago vs sitting in the press box for the Leafs. Think Corrado had a chance to eke out a Kevin Connoifhton type career as a spare Dmen had he gotten more ahl time to refine his game rather than just practice in the nhl.
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He could have easily been a 13th forward and early season replacement for Motte. I agree it was poor asset management......yet again.
He will probably be waived too. Its not one or the other.
Guisseppe is the guy that beat out Gadjovich for the 4th line winger role.
For Gadjovich to have made the team he would have had to beat out Guisseppe or Motte.. and thats not happening as both are going to be heavily relied on especially in PK.
Gadjovich's chance to make this team was last year or previous years but even then he couldnt beat out pylons like Roussell, Eriksson, Virtanen, etc.
Now the Canucks have started to add depth at wing with the likes of Garland, Podkolzin , Dickenson, Hoglander etc..
Sounds like Sutter is out for a while. They have depth PKers like Pearson, Bo, Miller who can step in for a short time but Green isn’t keen on using them for extended stretches. Thus puts more emphasis on the spare guys to step into those roles.
basically can go back and say it was a mistake to sign the oft injured Sutter again in a key role given the roster.
No he couldnt because he doesnt kill penalties.
This is really his big downfall.
as a 13th forward who is he going to replace?
if a top 6 guy gets hurt, Gadjo cant fill that role.
Theyll probably call up someone like Bailey or Petan.
if a bottom 6 guy that kills penalties gets hurt, Gadjo cant fill that role.
Theyll probably call up a guy like Dowling or Highmore.
Gadjo is a the absolute definition of a tweener.
I wish he specialized on something to give himself some value to the team.
Kinda like what Guiseppe has done to have had 200 plus games in the NHL.
Not many players today who would play in the bottom 6 don’t either PK or are part of the PP2 unit.
For Gadjovich to be on the roster would mean that the Canucks should have spent the Pearson cap hit on a better 4C who could stay healthy. plus would require that at least 1 or 2 of Garland, Pod, Hog, Petey, Brock can join Bo and Miller on the PK if guys go down like Motte, Highmore, the 4C. That’s coaching right there.
For Gadjovich to be on the roster would mean that the Canucks should have spent the Pearson cap hit on a better 4C who could stay healthy. plus would require that at least 1 or 2 of Garland, Pod, Hog, Petey, Brock can join Bo and Miller on the PK if guys go down like Motte, Highmore, the 4C. That’s coaching right there.
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The difference being that a conditioning assignment can only be made with the consent of the player, he remains on the 23-man-roster, and it can only be for a limited amount of time.
It's not at all the same thing as being demoted.
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Your odds of losing a 31 year old Dowling or 27 year old PDG on waivers is a lot less than losing a 22 year old that has shown improvement and a coaching staff still thinks has potential. Benning had options but he made a choice and the Canucks lost an asset earlier than they needed to. Benning not having other options for the PK and having to waive a younger asset is another example of poor forethought and reacting to an issue as opposed to being pro-active and being several steps ahead in the building of the team. Even if Gadjo never develops into a legit NHLer, letting him go to waivers while players late in their 20's/early 30's career minor leaguers remain is not good asset management.
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Looked good in the games I watched of him this preseason. Scrappy player with a good motor. Probably worth a waiver claim but I don't think it'll be a huge loss. Guys like this are easily replaceable.
Teams can always manipulate things. Like keep the kids to start then send them down after the season begins once teams have set up their 23 man roster.
hope you don’t need to dip into the spare guys on the opening road trip.
but they prioritized others.
hope you don’t need to dip into the spare guys on the opening road trip.
but they prioritized others.
2 in 7 is not much better but could be worse, could have signed E. Kane to long term contract. Ericksson dropped off a cliff but Kane has always been of questionable character. Who is SJ Gm? Cannot still be Wilson. That said is it possible both teams think the same about Gadovich just SJ is more willing to play him. I heard Dahlen is with them still too. These were the type of players we were taking fliers on when we had no depth and no hope of winning. Goldobin from SJ was a perfect example and Dahlen from Ottawa.
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It would be more concerning if Gadjovich, at his level of play today made the team.
The fact that fellow wingers like Garland Podkolzin Dickenson have made the team just pushes the depth of the Canucks and raises the minimum floor for the depth forwards.
I dont think this was a case of bad asset management. What asset? he couldnt have been worth much in a trade. If anything it was a bad draft choice.
The fact that fellow wingers like Garland Podkolzin Dickenson have made the team just pushes the depth of the Canucks and raises the minimum floor for the depth forwards.
I dont think this was a case of bad asset management. What asset? he couldnt have been worth much in a trade. If anything it was a bad draft choice.
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Agree with this point - another Benning myth - the draft guru. Yet the Canucks have one of the lowest numbers of drafted players on their roster and the farm system is not very good or deep.
Every GM has bad picks or picks that didnt turn out.
lowest number of drafted players?
I dont know what the league average is but I dont think the Canucks are doing poorly at this especially from a quality vs quantity look.
Pettersson
Hughes
Horvat
Boeser
Podkolzin
Hoglander
Demko
Their farm system isnt very good because hey had 3 years of a Calder Winner or Calder finalist which hadnt been done since the 70s.
They also had draft picks that went straight to the NHL like Podkolzin Rathbone, Hoglander
They have also traded draft picks for legit NHLers like JT Miller, Garland , OEL and Toffoli
Their lineup is super young loaded with talent, of course their farm team is gonna be poop when all their studs are in the show.
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They were the worst team in the league collectively over a 5 year stretch they should have some high end draft picks, in Bennings time with the Canucks they would have started off with 56 draft picks and they have 6 Benning picks on the roster. Only 1 Benning Dman and they have made the playoffs 1 or 2 times. So he has done pretty good when drafting top 10, after that....Demko a high second rounder, Hoglander a high second rounder. His best attribute as a GM and he's average if not below average at it. This is a big part of the problem.
not a lot of canuck fans have him pegged in the starting lineup so not sure all the commotion is all about. Yes he has the POTENTIAL to be good but he's definitely a project at this point in time
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Dickinson is a W? Garland made the team? What is this?
The Canucks are stuck with Nic Petan, Alex Chiasson and some other garbage because they thought they could sneak Gadjovich through waivers. This was a pretty clear mistake. The magnitude of the mistake is small, but it is an unforced error.
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I think he'll do well in SJ. I'm pretty sour about losing him. Tough and can score you some close in goals.
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