Speculation: Simmer down (on Sens vets)

[jbeck5]

You know you are ****ed when the guy that is handling your rebuild traded Karlsson, Hoffman and Zibenejad and didn't get a single blue chip prospect back. Not to mention traded 1 year of Ceci for 5 more years of equivalent Ceci.

It's sad to think of what this team could have been with a zibanejad-duchene 1-2 punch...karlsson-chabot 1-2 punch... Guys like Hoffman and stone still here for wingers... Bishop and Lehner in nets...

Lol depressing.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

What were you guys expecting ? I find it a bit concerning that there are some people who are angry or surprised on how bad we are ? Did you not see the roster before today ? We are clearly tanking. The kids will be sprinkled in here and there but the whole point of the vets is the take the full force grind of losing so many games

I agree. We need to come in last this year to secure our best spot in the draft lottery.
My only complaint so far is that I hoped the vets we picked up would be tradeable by the deadline. The only player in that group I see that might have value is Ennis. He's looked ok and only has a caphit of 700k. DeMelo should have some value as well come the deadline.

 

[HSF]

For the next three years I think we should be loading the team with overpaid vets and role guys via ufa that are still serviceable and will have some value at the deadline. Basically sell it to them as "come to ottawa, we'll overpay on a one year deal, put you in a prime role on our ****ty team, and then move you to a competitor at the deadline". More pay + bigger role + a shot at the cup.

Keep bottoming out and keep the kids in the minors unless they kick the door in. Then roll out a legit squad based on a bumper cohort of star lottery picks and young talent.

I don’t think this has to be done for 3 years but it’s definitely the plan this year it seems which is a good one ...ignoring the fact that all our top line players were dealt

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

For the next three years I think we should be loading the team with overpaid vets and role guys via ufa that are still serviceable and will have some value at the deadline. Basically sell it to them as "come to ottawa, we'll overpay on a one year deal, put you in a prime role on our ****ty team, and then move you to a competitor at the deadline". More pay + bigger role + a shot at the cup.

....

It is certainly a reasonable strategy, and I have no doubt that the Sens are hoping to "pump and dump" with Hainsey, Ennis, maybe Anisimov.

Problem is this years team may be so bad, and their production so small that they may have no value whatsoever at the deadline.

 

[HSF]

It is certainly a reasonable strategy, and I have no doubt that the Sens are hoping to "pump and dump" with Hainsey, Ennis, maybe Anisimov.

Problem is this years team may be so bad, and their production so small that they may have no value whatsoever at the deadline.

Then you let them walk

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

Anisimov is so bad, a black hole offensively. And my bar for him was so low after being traded for whipping boy z. smith 1 for 1

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Eh. What can they do.

They were always way way ahead of themselves because of the inorganic way this whole rebuild came to pass and Dorion's long list of bad asset management.

Imo this team is designed to tank. You don't sign and trade for these plugs expecting anything more than a warm body. Dorion has proven he's a bad gm, but I think he would realistically assess these guys knowing they bring nothing of value on the ice.

The disappointing part is that we already watched Chabot, Tkachuk and White develop last year, so there's no compelling reason to be tuning in other than where the pick lands. This is a dead season of cap casualties and over the hill vets taking the ice time, and that's going to be an incredibly hard product to try to sell. Who the f*** wants to watch these plugs skate around getting shelled.

 

[Liver King]

Dorion should be fired immediately, his body or work is an absolute joke. WOAT.

So..hopefully this year he is fired and we start running an NHL organization for the first time in a few years

 

[Samsquanch]

You can't tank without icing a very bad team.

Right. Which is why I'm torn about shipping the vets out (we may get better as a team).

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Right. Which is why I'm torn about shipping the vets out (we may get better as a team).

Honestly, if we move the vets, and the kids boost us up to 28th place (or something like that) I'll be happy. We're not winning the lotto, and odds are we'll pick in the same slot whether we finish 28th or 31st. I'd rather see the kids get a couple more wins and develop a bit and gain a bit of confidence than get a 5% better chance at a lotto pick.

 

[Samsquanch]

Honestly, if we move the vets, and the kids boost us up to 28th place (or something like that) I'll be happy. We're not winning the lotto, and odds are we'll pick in the same slot whether we finish 28th or 31st. I'd rather see the kids get a couple more wins and develop a bit and gain a bit of confidence than get a 5% better chance at a lotto pick.

Sorry dude but we ARE winning the lottery this year .

But I agree with your take, and I also dont feel like we need to worry about finishing last overall.

Having said that, I think its best to stay the course for now, and wait till closer to the TDL to put this plan in motion. If the plan was to go full youth all year long, we needed to have less vets on 1 way contracts at camp imo. Lets not forget that no jobs were unquestionably stolen by rookies this year, unfortunately,

 

[DrEasy]

For the next three years I think we should be loading the team with overpaid vets and role guys via ufa that are still serviceable and will have some value at the deadline. Basically sell it to them as "come to ottawa, we'll overpay on a one year deal, put you in a prime role on our ****ty team, and then move you to a competitor at the deadline". More pay + bigger role + a shot at the cup.

Keep bottoming out and keep the kids in the minors unless they kick the door in. Then roll out a legit squad based on a bumper cohort of star lottery picks and young talent.

I'd be totally on board with this. It's not unlike what the Jays have been doing the last couple of years. But it requires that the team is able to attract good free agents and actually spend money on them.

 

[JungleBeat]

Honestly, if we move the vets, and the kids boost us up to 28th place (or something like that) I'll be happy. We're not winning the lotto, and odds are we'll pick in the same slot whether we finish 28th or 31st. I'd rather see the kids get a couple more wins and develop a bit and gain a bit of confidence than get a 5% better chance at a lotto pick.

Filling the rosters with the rookies won’t make the team better.

 

[SensHulk]

I think it dawned on me How bad this season would be when the player intros were taking place...that was the most depressing intro I have ever seen for the Sens, outside of Chabot and Tkachuk, their was nothing to cheer for, no real superstar player, and then the very last player to be introduced was ducking borowiecki

 

[Samsquanch]

Filling the rosters with the rookies won’t make the team better.

I just dont know if thats true, there are some very bad players on the team right now.

And unlike the vets, theres a good chance the kids would improve under DJ all year in meaningful roles, whereas the vets could possibly get even worse.

I literally dont see anyone on the roster other than the kids and Duclair that I would be happy with keeping beyond this year right now.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Filling the rosters with the rookies won’t make the team better.

A bit of a youthful boost might add a few points at the end of the year. The way the league is, another 3-4 points might be enough to go from 31st to 29th or something. Especially this year with a strong top end...be like the McDavid draft where a bunch of teams were trying to bottom out at the same time.

 

[Boud]

Dorion should be fired immediately, his body or work is an absolute joke. WOAT.

So..hopefully this year he is fired and we start running an NHL organization for the first time in a few years

I always tell myself that but then I remember we have Eugene Melnyk as owner and he won't pay for a decent GM and we'll end up with another puppet GM who listens to the orders and does whatever the owner wants without having the balls to challenge.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I always tell myself that but then I remember we have Eugene Melnyk as owner and he won't pay for a decent GM and we'll end up with another puppet GM who listens to the orders and does whatever the owner wants without having the balls to challenge.

Not only that, but the team we have 2-3 years ago......imagine what that team could've accomplished with a really strong NHL coach. Sure, we still could've used another top 4 defenseman, but overall we had the talent to be a strong team for a long time.

 

[Boud]

Not only that, but the team we have 2-3 years ago......imagine what that team could've accomplished with a really strong NHL coach. Sure, we still could've used another top 4 defenseman, but overall we had the talent to be a strong team for a long time.

Literally the only thing they had to do was to keep the core players and pay them, sprinkle the rookies with these core players and we'd be a pretty decent team.

This was easy easy easy. But Melnyk needed them bills to cover for the casino gambles, the private jet, Randy Lees lawyer, and the twitter bot accounts.

 

[JD1]

NYR properly handled a rebuild
We are f..... for years to come

NYR got Zbad to a level that not even the inner members of the Zbad family saw as possible upside

They won the lottery....getting the #2 pick last year is a huge win. It was also a huge win that you win the lottery like that in a year where there is a talent like Kakko available

And they have a big budget.

The situations aren't quite the same

 

[Sens]

I thought Zbsd would be a 30+G 70+ point center... so his progression is not surprising at all

 

[bert]

Ennis is beyond terrible. He has no place on the top line or on the PP.

He doesnt belong in the league but the coach plays him more than anyone its pretty wild stuff.

 

[bert]

NYR got Zbad to a level that not even the inner members of the Zbad family saw as possible upside

They won the lottery....getting the #2 pick last year is a huge win. It was also a huge win that you win the lottery like that in a year where there is a talent like Kakko available

And they have a big budget.

The situations aren't quite the same

Zibanejad was a 6th overall pick of course people thought he could get to this level. Just another lesson that big players take a really long time to develop. People should pay attention to this when evaluating Logan Brown.

 

[TeamRenzo]

Anisimov is so bad, a black hole offensively. And my bar for him was so low after being traded for whipping boy z. smith 1 for 1

I am actually shocked how bad he looks out there..."looks" is being generous because he is invisible.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]