Should Dubas be fired???

[Dragao6]

So allot of you guys still think only 1 trade for a top 4 rhd will fix this team?

I thought about this realistically, how many would be actually surprised if he and shanny were fired tomorrow?

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Title says it all. We've seen the honeymoon phase under Keefe and now an 18-wheeler embarassment.

 

[PromisedLand]

Simple question.

Lets look at the overall picture/evidence

- 50% of cap allocated to only 4 players
- no defense or grit
- did not address back-up situation until after more than half the season was over
- traded kadri, an asset locked up at a reasonable price, for no impact players -> kerfoot+barrie
- said ceci's underlying stats are good when everyone could see ceci doesn't know how to play defense
- leafs have been playing terrible defensively and he hasn't addressed the defensive issue at all
- this is tavares' 2nd year of the 7 year contract that is going to go into garbage (also nylander)
- one out of 5 years gone into garbage for Matthews and one out of 6 yrs for Marner
- inherited a team that had tremendous cap space and a team on the rise; now no cap space and team sucks
- has brought in Muskoka5 culture in the dressing room

so yes plenty of evidence to show that it hasn't worked;

 

[Alamo Leafer]

Yes, but we should also get ride of the stench he left us with, so we should now be sellers imo.

 

[seanlinden]

Forget Dubas, fire Shanny.

Dubas is his guy... he allowed Dubas to build the incredibly soft and mentally weak team that he has. He watched idly by while a highly experienced and respected GM left, to leave an amateur to get completely out-negotiated by Marner, Matthews, and Nylander.

 

[pcruz]

This situation screams for an appearance by Shanahan.

He would be throwing up on the ice were he a current player on this team.
Solely from sheer disgust.

 

[GQS]

Dubas and Keefe should both be fired tonight. Not even joking a little bit. If this is a professional league that's not acceptable at all. If this was England they;d have to leave the country.

Dubas and Keefe can only do so much before you have to lay the blame on the players who are actually on the ice playing. There's no excuse for the players to lay such a fat ass egg when they had the perfect opportunity to blow the Canes away.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Lets look at the overall picture/evidence

- 50% of cap allocated to only 4 players
- no defense or grit
- did not address back-up situation until after more than half the season was over
- traded kadri, an asset locked up at a reasonable price, for no impact players -> kerfoot+barrie
- said ceci's underlying stats are good when everyone could see ceci doesn't know how to play defense
- leafs have been playing terrible defensively and he hasn't addressed the defensive issue at all
- this is tavares' 2nd year of the 8 year contract that is going to go into garbage (also nylander)
- one out of 5 years gone into garbage for Matthews and one out of 6 yrs for Marner
- inherited a team that has tremendous cap space and a team on the rise; now no cap space and team sucks
- has brought in Muskoka5 culture in the dressing room

so yes plenty of evidence to show that it hasn't worked;

It's why some of us (too few I think), knew that holding the line or trading Nylander to keep the salaries down was important. This isn't the NBA. You need depth, at least a solid D and 4 competitive lines. If you can't produce that with this cap, you can't expect to compete. It's amazing they are even in the race.

They can still make it, because they have the $8M to spend. The Canes showed how men play when they want to win.

 

[PromisedLand]

Definitely have to move marner.

No GM in their right mind is going to touch that contract. That is a massive overpayment

 

[Dave92]

Dubas is costing the brand tens if not hundreds of millions in lost revenue and lost mind share in the market. Not to mention the ridiculously player friendly front loading for everybody.

He's gonna be fired soonish.

 

[Lemontree]

All that is talked about is his vision of a skill team. He has built the least skilled D in the league. Imagine wanting to play a puck possession game and always regrouping in your own zone and your available Dmen include:

Holl, Ceci, Marincin. None of these 3 have any puck skills to mention. If you are going to play a certain way then build the team that way. Forwards are built for skill and the D are not, when we have the puck the majority of the time it is on the stick of a non skill player who is not capable of making a play.

 

[Green Snow Storm]

Is he the one getting outplayed by a 42yr old minor league Zamboni driver

Exactly.

 

[Dave92]

Dubas and Keefe can only do so much before you have to lay the blame on the players who are actually on the ice playing. There's no excuse for the players to lay such a fat ass egg when they had the perfect opportunity to blow the Canes away.

I totally blame the players but they can't be fired, no good NHL coach would ever lose that game. Not to mention then start sulking benching his scorers.

Keefe did literally nothing at all all game. Totally out classed, and Dubas is pretty much a meme at this point.

 

[phillipmike]

Dubas is costing the brand tens if not hundreds of millions in lost revenue and lost mind share in the market. Not to mention the ridiculously player friendly front loading for everybody.

He's gonna be fired soonish.

i pray to god you are right.

Give me JFJ or Nonis and I’m dead serious.

 

[eddieO]

The biggest farce is that Dubas is any kind of genius. Nothing he has ever done has been “genius” - this team looks good on paper as a regular season team and awful as a playoff team.

Dubas should be fired. He’s not capable of digging out of his own excrement. Get an experienced GM now.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yes - fire his ass.

Next time you get a GM that sets franchise records, don't cast him aside, you say thank you.

 

[Green Snow Storm]

He's responsible for assembling the team. I think the majority of people here would agree that they look one way on paper and another on the ice. So the question is, why? That's not an excuse, that's the question at the heart of the problem. What specific to this core of players leads them to perform so apathetically so goddamn always, across coaches, systems, goalies, and management? The answer to that question is the answer to where fault needs to lie.

If you want to jack off your rage boner in public that's all well and fine but don't act like "fIRe eVErYoNE" is an intelligent opinion and everyone who deigns to disagree is biased if you can't answer the question above. Have some humility.

I legitimately can't believe people going after Dubas after this game before the players who played in it. Disgusting effort from them, in what should have been an easy win.

 

[LastOne2100]

I legitimately can't believe people going after Dubas after this game before the players who played in it. Disgusting effort from them, in what should have been an easy win.

He put a team of entitled greedy kids together who play for themselves and then overpaid them all.

 

[trellaine201]

Leafs need more experience running the team. Dubas has taken on more than he can chew. This isn’t the OHL.

 

[GQS]

I totally blame the players but they can't be fired, no good NHL coach would ever lose that game. Not to mention then start sulking benching his scorers.

Keefe did literally nothing at all all game. Totally out classed, and Dubas is pretty much a meme at this point.

If the players aren't performing tonight, then there's nothing Keefe and Dubas can do. You could put a hall of fame coach behind the bench tonight and I don't think the result would be any different. You can keep hiring and firing coaches and GMs all you want, but it ain't going to make a damn difference if the players' attitude and will to compete and fight aren't there.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Dubas' job thus far can be summed up as follows:

He's built one of the best highly skilled teams in the league.

He's also built one of the laziest, lackadaisical teams in the league.

 

[Dave92]

If the players aren't performing tonight, then there's nothing Keefe and Dubas can do. You could put a hall of fame coach behind the bench tonight and I don't think the result would be any different. You can keep hiring and firing coaches and GMs all you want, but it ain't going to make a damn difference if the players' attitude and will to compete and fight aren't there.

There is something a coach can do that's why they have coaches. And his systems was crushed and he had no plan B just like against Buffalo or any number of recent games.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Well everyone wanted nothing but skilled soft players. Third and fourth lines should hit,fight, and add energy and mix it up making it a tough night for opponents and chip in a few.

Is that our bottom six? Furthest thing from it so he is not smart at this. I bet he learns from this garbage we just seen.

 

[GQS]

There is something a coach can do that's why they have coaches. And his systems was crushed and he had no plan B just like against Buffalo or any number of recent games.

Doesn't matter what system any coach has when the players have no will and the fight to do anything on the ice. If they had any passion and heart they would've destroyed the Canes tonight easy the same way they took care of the Pens last game.

 

[WTFMAN99]

"The players will tell us what to do" - Lou

When asked about the Leafs plans at the trade deadline.

What are the players telling us?