Player Discussion Shea Weber

[1909]

Except for at ES:

1) Points per 60;
2) Goals per 60;
3) Assist (primary and secondary) per 60;
4) Penalty differential;
5) Corsi % and Corsi % relative teammates;
6) Shots for and against;
7) expected goals for and against; and
8) expected goals for (relative teammates);

on the PP:

1) Points per 60; and
2) Assist (primary and secondary) per 60; and

on the PK:

1) Goals against per 60;
2) Shots against per 60; and
3) scoring chances against per 60.

There are other areas Subban was better at too, but they aren't as relevant to hockey success.

Weber had one amazing month, but he needed a ton of luck and a Subban injury to look even comparable. Subban was the better player before the trade and after the trade. Weber is still a #1D, but Subban has been clearly better for a while now. Weber's probably the more entertaining one now though (with his physicality and slapper). But Subban does the little things better.

 

[ahmedou]

C= Concussions?

 

[HomeAndHome]

https://www.tsn.ca/weber-skates-ahead-of-habs-practice-1.1189729

Weber skating for the first time since surgery.

 

[Shabs]

https://www.tsn.ca/weber-skates-ahead-of-habs-practice-1.1189729

Weber skating for the first time since surgery.

He looks like he is already back at his top speed.

 

[76]

Nice to see him on skates. Captain will be ready for tonight presentation. Grab that torch Shea.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nice to see him on skates. Captain will be ready for tonight presentation. Grab that torch Shea.

I was wondering when he would start skating. He should be able to get in good shape the more he pushes himself in the next two months. Something tells me he returns early than expected. It was always a 4-5 month recovery and that put him mid Nov to mid Dec. Habs said mid Dec because they gave a conservative prediction

 

[Tuggy]

 

[Habs Halifax]

Knee surgery was like mid June right? From what I have been reading, it's a 4-5 months recovery time. That puts him somewhere around now to mid November. Mid December is more like 6 months.

This is what I read about Meniscus repairs.

"Meniscus repair is low-risk. Complications are rare. They may include injury to skin nerves, infections, and knee stiffness. Your doctor may prescribe antibiotics to help stave off infection. He may also recommend compression stockings to help prevent blood clots."

"If you have a partial or total meniscectomy, you can expect your recovery to take about a month. If your meniscus was repaired, it may take as long as 3 months." This would be what your doctor tells your or I who are not sports athletes playing pro. So I guess 4-5 months is not far off cause NHL players would need more time?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

That high five between Weber and DLO was fabulous lol

 

[DangerDave]

Hope he recovers properly and they don't rush him back. Team needs him at 100% if they want to compete in a couple years.

 

[Deebs]

Love the D-Lo high five

Weber's moving about as fast as me in beer league lol

 

[Koivu11]

https://www.tsn.ca/weber-skates-ahead-of-habs-practice-1.1189729

Weber skating for the first time since surgery.

I guess he’ll be back earlier than expected.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Pretty impressed he’s on the ice already, wouldn’t be shocked if he’s playing for us by mid November.

 

[HOPE]

Love the D-Lo high five

Weber's moving about as fast as me in beer league lol

You probably played in the shittiest beer league ever to say that!

 

[Deebs]

Pretty impressed he’s on the ice already, wouldn’t be shocked if he’s playing for us by mid November.

I don't know, he was moving pretty gingerly....hope they don't push him to hard and he comes back fully recovered.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I don't know, he was moving pretty gingerly....hope they don't push him to hard and he comes back fully recovered.

We're talking about 5 weeks, which is lots of time. Definitely no need to rush him, but I think the Christmas timeline might have been a bit cautious.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I don't know, he was moving pretty gingerly....hope they don't push him to hard and he comes back fully recovered.

I'm no athletic therapist but looks like he was just getting a feel of certain positions, techniques more so than testing it. It's an obvious statement but his speed isn't what they care about, it's his comfort level pushing in various positions. I have no clue how far he is.

 

[montreal]

Hope he recovers properly and they don't rush him back. Team needs him at 100% if they want to compete in a couple years.

a few weeks back TSN had an article where Weber said no matter what he won't rush back that he needs to make sure he's 100% or something to that effect.

 

[Deebs]

I'm no athletic therapist but looks like he was just getting a feel of certain positions, techniques more so than testing it. It's an obvious statement but his speed isn't what they care about, it's his comfort level pushing in various positions. I have no clue how far he is.

I know. That's why I said he was moving gingerly aka cautious

 

[CDN24]

Except for at ES:

1) Points per 60;
2) Goals per 60;
3) Assist (primary and secondary) per 60;
4) Penalty differential;
5) Corsi % and Corsi % relative teammates;
6) Shots for and against;
7) expected goals for and against; and
8) expected goals for (relative teammates);

on the PP:

1) Points per 60; and
2) Assist (primary and secondary) per 60; and

on the PK:

1) Goals against per 60;
2) Shots against per 60; and
3) scoring chances against per 60.

There are other areas Subban was better at too, but they aren't as relevant to hockey success.

Weber had one amazing month, but he needed a ton of luck and a Subban injury to look even comparable. Subban was the better player before the trade and after the trade. Weber is still a #1D, but Subban has been clearly better for a while now. Weber's probably the more entertaining one now though (with his physicality and slapper). But Subban does the little things better.

Why use expected goals for and against when you can use actuals. last time I checked the games were won and lost on actuals

2016-17 5 on 5
PK GF60 2.4 GA60 2.6 net -0.2 G60
Weber GF60 2.2 GA60 1.4 Net 0.8 G60

One of these things is not like the other.

 

[Peanut]

Except for at ES:

1) Points per 60;
2) Goals per 60;
3) Assist (primary and secondary) per 60;
4) Penalty differential;
5) Corsi % and Corsi % relative teammates;
6) Shots for and against;
7) expected goals for and against; and
8) expected goals for (relative teammates);

on the PP:

1) Points per 60; and
2) Assist (primary and secondary) per 60; and

on the PK:

1) Goals against per 60;
2) Shots against per 60; and
3) scoring chances against per 60.

There are other areas Subban was better at too, but they aren't as relevant to hockey success.

Weber had one amazing month, but he needed a ton of luck and a Subban injury to look even comparable. Subban was the better player before the trade and after the trade. Weber is still a #1D, but Subban has been clearly better for a while now. Weber's probably the more entertaining one now though (with his physicality and slapper). But Subban does the little things better.

Very true great post

 

[Roke]

Why use expected goals for and against when you can use actuals. last time I checked the games were won and lost on actuals

2016-17 5 on 5
PK GF60 2.4 GA60 2.6 net -0.2 G60
Weber GF60 2.2 GA60 1.4 Net 0.8 G60

One of these things is not like the other.

Because when you use actual goals against you're giving skaters credit for the quality of goaltending behind them, which is something they don't control, and quality of goaltending at the other end, which over a single season will have a fair bit of randomness in it.

From 2011-2016 Shea Weber was on-ice for a 7.71% 5on5sh% and 92.7 5on5sv%.

From 2011-2015 P.K. Subban was on-ice for an 8.87% 5on5sh% and 92.44% 5on5sv%

The goalies on the teams stayed the same, why would you expect them to diverge as wildly as they did in the next two seasons because of the play of either defenceman?

2016/17 on-ice sv%: Subban 91.85 Weber 95.46
2017/18 on-ice sv%: Subban 93.4 Weber 89.96

 

[Captain Mountain]

Why use expected goals for and against when you can use actuals. last time I checked the games were won and lost on actuals

2016-17 5 on 5
PK GF60 2.4 GA60 2.6 net -0.2 G60
Weber GF60 2.2 GA60 1.4 Net 0.8 G60

One of these things is not like the other.

expected goals for and against are actually slightly more predictive than actual goals and against, but I used both (see numbers 1 to 3).

 

[Deebs]

When Shea comes back, who do you want him to play with? I'm kind of leaning towards Mete as I believe Petry needs Reilly more because of his defensive issues.

 

[montreal]

When Shea comes back, who do you want him to play with? I'm kind of leaning towards Mete as I believe Petry needs Reilly more because of his defensive issues.

Reilly all the way, they need each other imo, Mete can help with Petry's defensive breakdowns at times.