Euro: SF: England v Denmark, 7/7/2021

[DashingDane]

One thing is for certain England will never win anything outside home soil.

I honestly don't see how they even beat Italy (A better team than Denmark)

 

[N o o d l e s]

I honestly don't see how they even beat Italy (A better team than Denmark)

I’d love you to be right but finals are usually 50/50

 

[Icarium]

Yep. A player fully intending to go down, but that won’t get discussed too much.

This isn't hockey, whether the Danish player embellished or not doesn't make it any less of a clear foul because he was obviously held. If Sterling had made meal of a clear cut trip, there would have been far less outrage than there is now when it's rather unclear if he was fouled at all.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

This isn't hockey, whether the Danish player embellished or not doesn't make it any less of a clear foul because he was obviously held. If Sterling had made meal of a clear cut trip, there would have been far less outrage than there is now when it's rather unclear if he was fouled at all.

Exactly. Up to this point...the most shameful dive in a knockout game was this:

Sterlings dive is now the worst. Zero reason to go to ground. Not held or tripped.

 

[1865]

This isn't hockey, whether the Danish player embellished or not doesn't make it any less of a clear foul because he was obviously held. If Sterling had made meal of a clear cut trip, there would have been far less outrage than there is now when it's rather unclear if he was fouled at all.

There was contact and Sterling embellished it. Of course he looks for the foul, but can Denmark really bemoan it? Football tends to come around fairly quickly, do you remember the penalty decision in Denmark’s first game against Finland?

 

[1865]

When I was a kid back in the late 80s early 90s and I used to watch soccer in the Portuguese and Italian cafes in the neighborhood, those older Portuguese had an old wives tale about their 1966 World Cup semifinal loss to host England.

After already being livid that the venue was changed at the last minute to accommodate the home side, these guys used to swear up and down that when Charlton scored the opening goal, someone in the stands threw a rock and hit the Portuguese keeper in the head simultaneously.

I’ve laughed at that story for over 30 years, but perhaps the rock of 1966 is the laser pointer of 2021...

Mental gymnastics to discredit England here. Laser pens are unacceptable but he saved the penalty, let’s not go overboard on the impact here.

 

[koyvoo]

One thing is for certain England will never win anything outside home soil.

Well, an interesting footnote that I mention every single tournament was set to remain true here, even winning the tournament, as soon as the knockout brackets were drawn.

-To this day, in the entire history of tournament football, England have never, not even one single time, beaten a true “A” level, or elite team in a knockout stage game away from home.

I know the final could only be played in one venue under this format, always likely to be Wembley, but the one thing about the format that confused me was this-

A number of teams played 3 group games at home and won their group, but the only one who stayed at home for the round of 16 was England.

 

[Lambo]

Of course, but it’s extremely likely. Denmark were running on empty and it barely came out of Denmark’s half for the entirety of the first half of extra time. A goal was coming.

Schmeichel was so good though. He loves Wembley.

Hmmm? Despite England wasn t able to score a second goal in 104 min. And it would be typical England, when they don t score the winning goal in 120 min respectively 30 min in Overtime. They played with the same pattern and without surprise moment. Your statements are pure speculation of course.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Well, an interesting footnote that I mention every single tournament was set to remain true here, even winning the tournament, as soon as the knockout brackets were drawn.

-To this day, in the entire history of tournament football, England have never, not even one single time, beaten a true “A” level, or elite team in a knockout stage game away from home.

I know the final could only be played in one venue under this format, always likely to be Wembley, but the one thing about the format that confused me was this-

A number of teams played 3 group games at home and won their group, but the only one who stayed at home for the round of 16 was England.

The round of 16 game England played at home was originally meant to be played in Dublin. Dublin refused to make any concessions regarding spectators in the stands, so the game was moved to Wembley. We can applaud the Irish stance on principle, but perhaps it had something to do with Ireland's failure to qualify and the fact soccer is not quite the most popular sport in the country (so an exception for the Euro would have been a political loser).

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

My opinion on the penalty..it was fairly soft, but probably no softer than what we got in the 1990 Final and where our media glosses over it by saying it was 'deserved' because we had carried play and were the better team over the course of the tournament.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

My opinion on the penalty..it was fairly soft, but probably no softer than what we got in the 1990 Final and where our media glosses over it by saying it was 'deserved' because we had carried play and were the better team over the course of the tournament.

Then I want my 3rd star for 2014. And that 06 penalties.

 

[Icarium]

Exactly. Up to this point...the most shameful dive in a knockout game was this:

Sterlings dive is now the worst. Zero reason to go to ground. Not held or tripped.

Neither is anywhere near the worst, the one in the GIF is more embellishment than a dive and Sterling's might have been the same but it's hard to tell even with many replays. Malouda dived in 2006 final but nobody cared because it was against Italy and people hate Italy almost as much as they hate England, lol.

 

[Pouchkine]

Well, an interesting footnote that I mention every single tournament was set to remain true here, even winning the tournament, as soon as the knockout brackets were drawn.

-To this day, in the entire history of tournament football, England have never, not even one single time, beaten a true “A” level, or elite team in a knockout stage game away from home.

I know the final could only be played in one venue under this format, always likely to be Wembley, but the one thing about the format that confused me was this-

A number of teams played 3 group games at home and won their group, but the only one who stayed at home for the round of 16 was England.

It's even a bigger advantage for them this year than say 1996 or 1966 because a team like Denmark had to go and play a big game in Azerbaidjan days before...

 

[Mrgnwllm]

Reading anti England posts is like reading anti Canada posts after we win men’s gold in Olympic hockey . It’s excruciating. The better team won today .

 

[al secord]

Reading anti England posts is like reading anti Canada posts after we win men’s gold in Olympic hockey . It’s excruciating. The better team won today .

I actually find it quite amusing. Danes played well. England were the better team. Deserved the win. Hoping for an exciting match on Sunday. Cheers to the tears.

 

[Icarium]

Reading anti England posts is like reading anti Canada posts after we win men’s gold in Olympic hockey . It’s excruciating.

Canada is actually a dominant team, so it's hated because of that (and because of some of its fans). England is more like the Toronto Maple Leafs of international soccer.

 

[Lambo]

Reading anti England posts is like reading anti Canada posts after we win men’s gold in Olympic hockey . It’s excruciating. The better team won today .

You can t compare that. This is totally different. England play almost all tournament games at home in Wembley. Denmark had almost 10000 km air miles in their bones before. England was better, becauso the Danes were exhausted. But if they were fresher in e.g. 1st half, we could see that the Danes not weaker than England.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

You can t compare that. This is totally different. England play almost all tournament games at home in Wembley. Denmark had almost 10000 km air miles in their bones before. England was better, becauso the Danes were exhausted. But if they were fresher in e.g. 1st half, we could see that the Danes not weaker than England.

It's like a 3 hour difference in flight time between Baku and Rome, where England were playing. You're telling me that's the difference between the teams? Please.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The penalty given wasn’t a penalty, but the the referee missed a penalty earlier in the game that should’ve went to England, so Denmark shouldn’t feel aggrieved. The referee had a really bad game though. Both penalty shouts he got wrong.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Canada is actually a dominant team, so it's hated because of that (and because of some of its fans). England is more like the Toronto Maple Leafs of international soccer.

Pretty apt comparison.

Loud and at times obnoxious fanbase that numbers in the millions, but they haven't done anything even remotely successful since the 60s.

 

[1865]

You can t compare that. This is totally different. England play almost all tournament games at home in Wembley. Denmark had almost 10000 km air miles in their bones before. England was better, becauso the Danes were exhausted. But if they were fresher in e.g. 1st half, we could see that the Danes not weaker than England.

Should we get every team to win a World Cup at home to give their trophy back?

 

[DashingDane]

I have less issues with losing the game as I actually expected it. It was they way it happened that bothers me. Losing a semi final because of a bad call is very different than being outscored in open play.

 

[bluesfan94]

The round of 16 game England played at home was originally meant to be played in Dublin. Dublin refused to make any concessions regarding spectators in the stands, so the game was moved to Wembley. We can applaud the Irish stance on principle, but perhaps it had something to do with Ireland's failure to qualify and the fact soccer is not quite the most popular sport in the country (so an exception for the Euro would have been a political loser).

And what a trek that would have been for England.

 

[bluesfan94]

The penalty given wasn’t a penalty, but the the referee missed a penalty earlier in the game that should’ve went to England, so Denmark shouldn’t feel aggrieved. The referee had a really bad game though. Both penalty shouts he got wrong.

Nah, neither were penalties.

 

[Panteras]

Moderator note: continue here: Euro: - SF: England v Denmark, 7/7/2021 (Part 2)