Pre-Game Talk: SENS vs Leafs tonight ons SportsNet

[Xspyrit]

Big minus for Harpur. Stuff like this will prevent him from being more than a 7th. Seems to lose focus

 

[Tundraman]

That was an example of bad Harpur making an unforced error by trying to pass across the middle deep in his own zone worse still when he's on his wrong side. He shouldn't be doing that anymore he's not that new.

 

[Senscore]

I can't honestly see how we're winning a single game.

 

[Engineer]

ok

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Harpur is not positionally sound enough nor fast enough to make those kind of mistakes. He got exposed in the Rangers series. Bottom pairing at best

 

[BondraTime]

Our A squad looking real sharp

On;y had 1 of our starting D playing, not that it's much of a difference.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Are there 6 defenceman better than Lajoie with ottawa? Chabot for sure, Wideman and Wolanin, is demelo any good?

He's looked really good

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Hyperbole? [mod]

Name me one other team in the past decade who have had 4 #6/7's on their starting roster and I'll be impressed.

Or even better, offer some substance and tell me what we have on our backend that is better without Karlsson.

You’re the one who made the claim. Show evidence that this is the worst d in the past decade. Burden of proof is on you

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

There's number two 3+ goal loss of the year. We could legitimately challenge for a -80 to 90 goal differential season here.

 

[Six Assets]

Only a player like karlsson could save this defense

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Jeff O'Neil sounds as fat as he looks

 

[pown]

Im happy about the games even if we lost, all the players that will probably be on the the team this year played well mostly. Most of our fringe players were quite terrible

Wolanin and Chlapik stood out the most for me

 

[Clayonator]

Lajoie looks good. I'd argue better than Jaros and Lajoie is a year younger.

Lajoie should be on the team now by the looks of him. He, Wolanin, and Chabot obviously would help ease the D pain collectively. But then we’d still have Beavis and Butthead to contend with in Ceci, and DeMelo.

 

[DueDiligence]

Only a player like karlsson could save this defense

He didn't last year.

 

[Cheapseats]

Ahhh the rebuild being rebuilt by and idiot owner and a puppet who cant even speak.

 

[Magic Man]

For these games to be as close as they were you have to thank Guy Boucher. He is an amazing coach.

 

[Cheapseats]

He didn't last year.

He was injured I believe at this time.

 

[BondraTime]

You name one. You’re the one who made the claim. Show evidence that this is the worst d in the past decade. Burden of proof is on you

I can't because there hasn't been a team in the past 10 years that have had a D core as bad as ours (#4, #4, #6/7, #6/7, #6/7, #6/7, #6/7). That's why I asked if you could provide one as you seem to be objecting the claim...

We have: Chabot, Wideman and Wolanin as PP options, and Ceci, Boro and Demelo as PK options (we will have one of Wolanin/Wideman/Chabot PKing on the 2nd unit)

Thomas Chabot as our #1. Will be playing 23+ minutes most nights, should be in a #4 role and move up the lineup as he grows and matures. Being thrust into a #1 role too early, with 0 insulation.

Cody Ceci as our #2. Ceci has been eaten alive playing the #2 role the past 2 seasons. He is now going to be playing on the top pairing with the best partner he has had in Chabot, but will be getting added responsibility with no Karlsson.

Mark Borowiecki as our #3/4. He's never started a season above a #6 role. He's a #6 at best, and would be a #7 on most teams. We've watched him the past 5 years, we are about to watch him play 20 mins a night against guys like Tavares/Matthews. It's going to be a bloodbath, figuratively and literally. .

Chris Wideman as our #3/4. Again, he's a #6 ideally, healthy scratch on many teams in the league. Will get pp time on the 2nd unit.

Christian Wolanin as our #5. Looks good in his short time. Will be our best bottom 4 D.

Demelo as our #6. Wasn't even qualified in San Jose. Playing in his correct slot as a #6/7.

Ben Harper. Will be our #7, not much of an NHLer.

If you have any points you'd like to make or counter anything, I'm all ears, though I'm not expecting it.

But yes, we would be worse defensively with Karlsson

And also, crying to the mods This guy

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I can't because there hasn't been a team in the past 10 years that have had a D core as bad as ours (#4, #4, #6/7, #6/7, #6/7, #6/7, #6/7). That's why I asked if you could provide one as you seem to be objecting the claim...

We have: Chabot, Wideman and Wolanin as PP options, and Ceci, Boro and Demelo as PK options (we will have one of Wolanin/Wideman/Chabot PKing on the 2nd unit)

Thomas Chabot as our #1. Will be playing 23+ minutes most nights, should be in a #4 role and move up the lineup as he grows and matures. Being thrust into a #1 role too early, with 0 insulation.

Cody Ceci as our #2. Ceci has been eaten alive playing the #2 role the past 2 seasons. He is now going to be playing on the top pairing with the best partner he has had in Chabot, but will be getting added responsibility with no Karlsson.

Mark Borowiecki as our #3/4. He's never started a season above a #6 role. He's a #6 at best, and would be a #7 on most teams. We've watched him the past 5 years, we are about to watch him play 20 mins a night against guys like Taveares/Matthews. It's going to be a bloodbath, figuatively and literally. .

Chris Wideman as our #3/4. Again, he's a #6 ideally, healthy scratch on many teams in the league. Will get pp time on the 2nd unit.

Christian Wolanin as our #5. Looks good in his short time. Will be our best bottom 4 D.

Demelo as our #6. Wasn't even qualified in San Jose. Playing in his correct slot as a #6/7.

Ben Harper. Will be our #7, not much of an NHLer.

If you have any points you'd like to make or counter anything, I'm all ears, though I;'m not expecting it.

But yes, we would be worse defensively with Karlsson

And also, crying to the mods This guy

Again for you to make the claim that this is the worst d corps of the last decade you should back it up. You can’t, because the season hasn’t happened yet. If we give up the most goals out of any team over the last decade, THEN and only then can you make that claim. Right now you’re stating a guess as a fact. Your prediction is that they will end up being the worst d corps. That’s it. Let the season play out. To me, some of the sabres and leafs teams over the last few years before the leafs were good will hold that claim. Especially the McDavid draft year sabres

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

The fact that Boro is probably going to be a top 4 guy playing 20 minutes on this team should tell you everything you need to know about this defense. It's going to be horrendous.

 

[Xspyrit]

Hyperbole? [mod]

Name me one other team in the past decade who have had 4 #6/7's on their starting roster and I'll be impressed.

Or even better, offer some substance and tell me what we have on our backend that is better without Karlsson.

We have potential on defense with Chabot, Wolanin, Lajoie, Jaros (and then JBD and Tychonick)

Problem, they are all still very young with little pro experience.

I doubt that any of Englund, Bergman, DeMelo and Harpur (that looked more promising at one point) will be more than 6th, 7th or cup-of-coffee D-men.

All of this is pretty unfair to Ceci and Wideman.

Chabot-Karlsson
Wolanin-Ceci
Harpur/Boro-Wideman
DeMelo

That defense would have made a lot more sense in a year you don't have your 1st round pick. But Melnyk doesn't seem to care about that... At least until the deadline to give the young guys more experience?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

The fact that Boro is probably going to be a top 4 guy playing 20 minutes on this team should tell you everything you need to know about this defense. It's going to be horrendous.

Brennan was an advocator that Boro be the captain of this team

 

[swiftwin]

Again for you to make the claim that this is the worst d corps of the last decade you should back it up. You can’t, because the season hasn’t happened yet. If we give up the most goals out of any team over the last decade, THEN and only then can you make that claim. Right now you’re stating a guess as a fact. Your prediction is that they will end up being the worst d corps. That’s it. Let the season play out. To me, some of the sabres and leafs teams over the last few years before the leafs were good will hold that claim. Especially the McDavid draft year sabres

I fully expect that FACTS will fall on deaf ears around here. Who needs facts when you have emotional breakdowns?

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Again for you to make the claim that this is the worst d corps of the last decade you should back it up. You can’t, because the season hasn’t happened yet. If we give up the most goals out of any team over the last decade, THEN and only then can you make that claim. Right now you’re stating a guess as a fact. Your prediction is that they will end up being the worst d corps. That’s it. Let the season play out. To me, some of the sabres and leafs teams over the last few years before the leafs were good will hold that claim. Especially the McDavid draft year sabres

The Leafs and Buffalo D were pretty bad as well but they're goaltending was probably their biggest weakness.

The Avalanche had one of the worst seasons in recent memory. For comparison, their D looked like this:

Beauchemin-Barrie
Tyutin-Johnson
Wiecioch-Zadorov
Barbero
Goloubef

 

[Byron Bitz]

Ahhh the rebuild being rebuilt by and idiot owner and a puppet who cant even speak.

Don’t forget that lawyer they hired to replace the sex offender as assistant GM.