Prospect Info: Senators in WJC - Part Zwei

[BondraTime]

But on the other hand there could be a lot of egos and guys upset they arent playing as big a role as theyre used too. All these guys are used to being the go to guy.

Don’t think that’s ever been the case for Canada at the World Juniors, can’t remember a single time any player sulked or complained in the past 20 years. Guys just do what’s asked of them, getting in that team, for the 2 weeks a year, is a dream of every kid growing up playing hockey.

 

[cudi]

Don’t think that’s ever been the case for Canada at the World Juniors, can’t remember a single time any player sulked or complained in the past 20 years. Guys just do what’s asked of them, getting in that team, for the 2 weeks a year, is a dream of every kid growing up playing hockey.

I remember Jonathan Bernier sulking hard when he lost his starters job.

Im just saying its not as easy as 'theyre all 1st rounders so its not hard'

 

[BondraTime]

I remember Jonathan Bernier sulking hard when he lost his starters job.

Im just saying its not as easy as 'theyre all 1st rounders so its not hard'

I'd wager a lot they'd have the exact same success with any coach from the CHL

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Jarventie straight home scratched it seems. Can’t say it’s not deserved

 

[SPF6ty9]

I remember Jonathan Bernier sulking hard when he lost his starters job.

Im just saying its not as easy as 'theyre all 1st rounders so its not hard'

Who'd he get benched for? Nelson Mandela?

 

[TheDebater]

I think some people just want the feeling of instant gratification with drafting "popular names" as opposed to being patient and having some faith in the team's scouting. For example I bet people would be thrilled if our draft had looked like:

3. Stützle
5. Drysdale
28. Peterka
33. Gunler
44. Faber/Mysak

And this WJC would have reinforced their beliefs.

Edit: I forgot to quote some posts but this discussion was going on somewhere around page 33-34.

 

[ijif]

I think some people just want the feeling of instant gratification with drafting "popular names" as opposed to being patient and having some faith in the team's scouting. For example I bet people would be thrilled if our draft had looked like:

3. Stützle
5. Drysdale
28. Peterka
33. Gunler
44. Faber/Mysak

And this WJC would have reinforced their beliefs.

Edit: I forgot to quote some posts but this discussion was going on somewhere around page 33-34.

Why should I have faith in the scouting staff?

I’m not saying I don’t, and I’m not saying I do, but I’m just curious if you, or anybody else, can actually explain to me why I should trust that Dorion and company are capable of drafting the necessary players to build a Stanley Cup contending team.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Why should I have faith in the scouting staff?

I’m not saying I don’t, and I’m not saying I do, but I’m just curious if you, or anybody else, can actually explain to me why I should trust that Dorion and company are capable of drafting the necessary players to build a Stanley Cup contending team.

That has nothing much to do with their argument. Their argument is not that Dorion & Co are right, but that we have no reason to believe that performance at the WJC, (e.x) Scouching, Wheeler, or the scouts of Bob McKenzie have particularly strong predictive power - especially in these strange times. More succinctly, their point would be that judging who will have the best draft on who has the best players 1 day or 6 months out is not an effective strategy, unless your goal is instant gratification.

 

[BondraTime]

That has nothing much to do with their argument. Their argument is not that Dorion & Co are right, but that we have no reason to believe that performance at the WJC, (e.x) Scouching, Wheeler, or the scouts of Bob McKenzie have particularly strong predictive power - especially in these strange times. More succinctly, their point would be that judging who will have the best draft on who has the best players 1 day or 6 months out is not an effective strategy, unless your goal is instant gratification.

Pretty much

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That has nothing much to do with their argument. Their argument is not that Dorion & Co are right, but that we have no reason to believe that performance at the WJC, (e.x) Scouching, Wheeler, or the scouts of Bob McKenzie have particularly strong predictive power - especially in these strange times. More succinctly, their point would be that judging who will have the best draft on who has the best players 1 day or 6 months out is not an effective strategy, unless your goal is instant gratification.

The only overreacting in this thread has been the overreaction to the reaction of jarventie poor play.

he’s had a bad tournament. Even his own coaches agree. That’s it. Some in this thread really liked peterka. So yeah. It’s at LEAST a little bit of validation for those people I bet it’s validation for those pro scouts that had peterka ahead of jarventie on their lists as well, as I’m sure there were some. No one thinks he’s gonna be bad because of a bad 6 games here. But he has been bad. Terrible even.

 

[Sweatred]

The only overreacting in this thread has been the overreaction to the reaction of jarventie poor play.

he’s had a bad tournament. Even his own coaches agree. That’s it. Some in this thread really liked peterka. So yeah. It’s at LEAST a little bit of validation for those people I bet it’s validation for those pro scouts that had peterka ahead of jarventie on their lists as well, as I’m sure there were some. No one thinks he’s gonna be bad because of a bad 6 games here. But he has been bad. Terrible even.

He fired a few lazars, missed the net etc. He can move he just needs the game to slow down for him -
Hopefully U20 2.0 goes better for him.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

The only overreacting in this thread has been the overreaction to the reaction of jarventie poor play.

he’s had a bad tournament. Even his own coaches agree. That’s it. Some in this thread really liked peterka. So yeah. It’s at LEAST a little bit of validation for those people I bet it’s validation for those pro scouts that had peterka ahead of jarventie on their lists as well, as I’m sure there were some. No one thinks he’s gonna be bad because of a bad 6 games here. But he has been bad. Terrible even.

No disagreement that Jarventie has sucked and that Peterka played great, but, by that token, Jarventie's play in Liiga is also justification for picking him high. I'm not saying don't discuss these things, or express preference. I havent seen people saying Jarventie is a bust because of a bad 6 games, but if they did that would be stupid. Saying Peterka is gonna be a good NHLer and we totally whiffed not picking him on the basis of his play this tournament, imo, is similarly silly.

Either way, its not my argument and I didnt really check the context... but, standing on its own two feet, the original point has nothing to do with Dorion & Co

 

[TheDebater]

The only overreacting in this thread has been the overreaction to the reaction of jarventie poor play.

he’s had a bad tournament. Even his own coaches agree. That’s it. Some in this thread really liked peterka. So yeah. It’s at LEAST a little bit of validation for those people I bet it’s validation for those pro scouts that had peterka ahead of jarventie on their lists as well, as I’m sure there were some. No one thinks he’s gonna be bad because of a bad 6 games here. But he has been bad. Terrible even.

I actually wanted Peterka too, but I can definitely see why Dorion and the scouts passed on him for Jarventie. In fact I would wager that it was probably a close debate between Dorion, Mann and the scouts deliberating between Peterka and Jarventie, and who knows if Dorion got his guy or put his faith in the scouts (or vice versa)?

In my opinion I thought we would go Peterka at 28, meaning we could still have had Jarventie at 33, so the real debate is going to be the one that takes place once we have a good read on the type of player Greig is.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No disagreement that Jarventie has sucked and that Peterka played great, but, by that token, Jarventie's play in Liiga is also justification for picking him high. I'm not saying don't discuss these things, or express preference.

Either way, its not my argument and I didnt really check the context... but, standing on its own two feet, the original point has nothing to do with Dorion & Co

I’m not saying we weren’t justified in picking him lol. He’s just played like ass in this tournament.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I’m not saying we weren’t justified in picking him lol. He’s just played like ass in this tournament.

I know, not trying to say you were. I think we are both arguing about other peoples arguments, which always gets dicey

 

[BrawlFan]

Did Mark Stone even make the roster for Canada in his first year of eligibility? Roby is most definitely a bust but just for some context

 

[BrawlFan]

The bigger miss at this point is definitely Faber. The guys looking amazing. If Kleven becomes a top 4 I'd rather him because thats essentially a Jake Muzzin and those guys are invaluable in the playoffs. But if hes just a 5-6 kind of guy then Faber is a massive miss.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Did Mark Stone even make the roster for Canada in his first year of eligibility? Roby is most definitely a bust but just for some context

No. He played as a 19 year old I believe

 

[Sweatred]

The bigger miss at this point is definitely Faber. The guys looking amazing. If Kleven becomes a top 4 I'd rather him because thats essentially a Jake Muzzin and those guys are invaluable in the playoffs. But if hes just a 5-6 kind of guy then Faber is a massive miss.

Looks OK for an 18 year old dman. He’s playing ahead of 18 year old Kleven.

 

[Dan Patrick]

I still find it really strange that the sens didn't draft any right shot defencemen when that is clearly our weaker side.

 

[SensFactor]

Is Jarventie playing or scratched?

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

Man Beniers would be great on the Sens. I know we have a couple of these kind of players. But his competitiveness is unreal. Him on a line with Tkachuk or Stuetzle would be fire.

 

[R2010]

The bigger miss at this point is definitely Faber. The guys looking amazing. If Kleven becomes a top 4 I'd rather him because thats essentially a Jake Muzzin and those guys are invaluable in the playoffs. But if hes just a 5-6 kind of guy then Faber is a massive miss.

Yeah I've been thinking the same. Faber has looked real good - Kleven isn't playing. Paterka has looked real good - Jarventie has not. Too early to tell of course but i've liked both players better at this point. That *does not* mean I think Kleven or Jarventie were bad picks. I don't see it necessarily as a miss at this point. Now the Thomson pick in 2019 over *all these* great players is a huge miss. Shockingly bad evaluation at this point.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Is Jarventie playing or scratched?

Scratched

 

[BrawlFan]

Yeah I've been thinking the same. Faber has looked real good - Kleven isn't playing. Paterka has looked real good - Jarventie has not. Too early to tell of course but i've liked both players better at this point. That *does not* mean I think Kleven or Jarventie were bad picks. I don't see it necessarily as a miss at this point. Now the Thomson pick in 2019 over *all these* great players is a huge miss. Shockingly bad evaluation at this point.

Meh still way too early. Lassi is young and D take a while to develop. Think of guys like Harmonic and how long he took to figure things out in NY to the point where he was mentioned as a top D. Guys like that take a while. He may just become a Ceci or something else, which is fine too. We always need cheaper guys to fill out the bottom pairing. As long as he can do something, like make a big hit and then bobble the puck he can still be useful. Regardless we have too many D prospects anyway so some will bust and some will surprise. At the same draft we got a late round pick (cant remember his name) who is surprising.