joe dirte
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It still is to me.Schneider for Bo Horvat seemed like a NJ win at the draft a few yrs ago.
It still is to me.Schneider for Bo Horvat seemed like a NJ win at the draft a few yrs ago.
The thing is when others always brought up the Kessel trade from Boston to Toronto it was mentioned how the Bruins won the Stanley Cup in 2011 as a major reason to say they won the trade. However when Leafs fans liked to point out them being able to finish last place overall in 2016, being able to draft Auston Matthews because of that and trading for Frederik Andersen with Pittsburgh's 1st round pick in 2016 due to them trading Kessel to the Penguins, we were told those things had nothing to do with trading him away.Exactly.
If you're going to factor the Leafs getting Matthews as part of the Kessel trade, then almost every big trade in NHL history needs to be reevaluated and recalculated. Picking through the consequences of a trade is usually difficult enough without the butterfly effect of future events.
I guess you can say Toronto also won the Phaneuf trade when they sent him to Ottawa because they did not have to retain any of his contract and last season when Ottawa traded Phaneuf to Los Angeles, the Senators retained $1,750,000 of his contract.I think that, in the end, we kind of won the Phnaeuf trade
This is kind of like the Roy one though. Horvat was not the player actually traded, so who is to say NJ would've drafted him.Schneider for Bo Horvat seemed like a NJ win at the draft a few yrs ago.
I guess you can say Toronto also won the Phaneuf trade when they sent him to Ottawa because they did not have to retain any of his contract and last season when Ottawa traded Phaneuf to Los Angeles, the Senators retained $1,750,000 of his contract.
Meh, that's like saying it was a good idea to trade for Matt Duchene because the chemistry of our team tanked and we ended up with really good lottery odds that allowed us to draft Rasmus Dahlin.
Only we didn't get Rasmus Dahlin, we didn't even get Svechnikov, because we weren't lucky like the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Toronto has made some smart moves but drafting generational players via the luck of the lottery isn't something I give them a lot of credit for.
You shouldn't, Matthews isn't a generational player.
that tier includes 40 playersHe’s pretty close IMO.
Maybe one tier down.
Schneider for Bo Horvat seemed like a NJ win at the draft a few yrs ago.
Still win-winSchneider for Bo Horvat seemed like a NJ win at the draft a few yrs ago.
The Phil Kessel you see today is not the player Phil Kessel was in his prime. In Pittsburgh, he's basically a PP specialist. He's Dave Andreychuk. In Toronto, he terrorized opponents with his speed and shot. That appears to be mostly gone.Agreed.
Phil was never a franchise player, he was miscast and it's hard to keep those guys around when you're trying to change the character of a team. They'll usually be associated with that previous era.
If you could look at my post history, I was always pretty favourable with respect to Kessel, even when he was with the Leafs.
I just felt that a finesse winger can't be the guy that leads the team to a Cup. I think Montreal figured that out too.
Ironically, he's the kind of guy that could have been brought in now (like Marleau) if he hadn't had that existing history with the team.
The Phil Kessel you see today is not the player Phil Kessel was in his prime. In Pittsburgh, he's basically a PP specialist. He's Dave Andreychuk. In Toronto, he terrorized opponents with his speed and shot. That appears to be mostly gone.
I know what you're trying to say but that's a clear win-win. Helped Pens win a cup and that kickstarted the Leafs turn around.I don't think a lot of people would say the Leafs "won the trade" the way it's described by the OP, however I would say they did a lot better when they traded Phil Kessel to Pittsburgh than they get credit for. Trading him made it easier for them to finish last place overall in 2016, getting the best draft lottery odds for Auston Matthews, getting Kaspari Kapanen who scored the tying goal on the night they cliched a playoff spot in 2017 and trading Pittsburgh's 2016 1st round pick for Frederik Andersen.
I agree. However I remember others trying to downplay and ignore the after effects on the Leafs side. Finishing last place overall and getting Auston Matthews as a result and trading Pittsburgh's 1st round pick for Frederik Andersen. From what I recall they said those things had nothing to do with the trade itself and the Leafs clearly lost it since Kessel was the best player involved and winning the Stanley Cup in 2016.I know what you're trying to say but that's a clear win-win. Helped Pens win a cup and that kickstarted the Leafs turn around.
American dollar?Kris Draper was traded to Detroit for $1 back in 1993.
And $1 could buy a lot back in those days.
Damn just saw your post I agree obviouslyBishop for Conacher is one that will always stick out in my mind
How was the Kipper for the 2nd deal with SJS viewed back in the day? This deal is often touted as a win/win now, but it's a little known fact that Sutter actually wanted Toskala over Kipper at first and only took Kipper when that deal was refused. Sutter settled and ended up getting the significantly better of the two goalies he was targeting.