Season is over - thoughts on 2019/2020

[Golden_Jet]

Incident?
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Getting walked by McDavid

 

[Joey Hoser]

Incident?

Careful Joey.

Whatever... It'll just be funny when they hit me for it. Like I care.

 

[ACC1224]

Getting walked by McDavid

Forgot about that.
Great players can do that to anyone. Not a reflection of Rielly, IMO

 

[Golden_Jet]

Forgot about that.
Great players can do that to anyone. Not a reflection of Rielly, IMO

Agreed just answering question

 

[Joey Hoser]

Great players can do that to anyone. Not a reflection of Rielly, IMO

Agreed. Point was just that it got Rielly to admit he had been injured all year in the post-game.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm not sure league average is ever impressive but whatever, impressive is a subjective term so ... whatever.

Well, we're better than most people think, and much better than any other year under this core. People tend to have this idea that to win the cup, we need to be super elite in offense, defense, and goaltending, when that's not really true. Obviously you always strive to improve, but this team's defense, when healthy, is very underrated.

 

[4thline]

I'm not sure league average is ever impressive but whatever, impressive is a subjective term so ... whatever.

When your supposedly bad (when healthy) defense has been decimated by injuries.... impressive might not be the right word. Illuminating would be better.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Forgot about that.
Great players can do that to anyone. Not a reflection of Rielly, IMO

Exactly and Rielly himself once scored a spectacular goal like the one McDavid had against him, which was during the 2014-15 season. Plus by a coincidence was also against Edmonton.

 

[zeke]

Exactly and Rielly himself once scored a spectacular goal like the one McDavid had against him, which was during the 2014-15 season. Plus by a coincidence was also against Edmonton.

> McDavid's goal

 

[LeafsNation75]

He admitted he was injured after the McDavid "incident".

Rielly was playing hurt before McDavid scored that goal against them. However even if he was not playing hurt chances are McDavid still goes around Rielly like we saw.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well, we're better than most people think, and much better than any other year under this core. People tend to have this idea that to win the cup, we need to be super elite in offense, defense, and goaltending, when that's not really true. Obviously you always strive to improve, but this team's defense, when healthy, is very underrated.

When your supposedly bad (when healthy) defense has been decimated by injuries.... impressive might not be the right word. Illuminating would be better.

I think I'd go with "not too shabby" and I agree that our D is better than a lot of people think.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Hopefully they cancel this fake tournament now

 

[meefer]

Whatever... It'll just be funny when they hit me for it. Like I care.

Exactly and Rielly himself once scored a spectacular goal like the one McDavid had against him, which was during the 2014-15 season. Plus by a coincidence was also against Edmonton.

Both goals are gems! Just beautiful hockey.

 

[baton elevated]

Forgot about that.
Great players can do that to anyone. Not a reflection of Rielly, IMO

Exactly, Mcdavid was doing that to players all year. If Andy makes the save it's a none issue.....which he should have. It was a perfect storm of events, CM's move came just at the right time when Rielly was executing his cross over. Of course the media blew it up. Hated the play, it put Rielly in a bad light. As if it couldn't happen to others and in fact it did a couple of games later to someone else but he didn't score.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Exactly, Mcdavid was doing that to players all year. If Andy makes the save it's a none issue.....which he should have. It was a perfect storm of events, CM's move came just at the right time when Rielly was executing his cross over. Of course the media blew it up. Hated the play, it put Rielly in a bad light. As if it couldn't happen to others and in fact it did a couple of games later to someone else but he didn't score.

Andersen was already pulled in that game after giving up 3 goals. So it was Michael Hutchinson who allowed that McDavid goal.

 

[baton elevated]

Andersen was already pulled in that game after giving up 3 goals. So it was Michael Hutchinson who allowed that McDavid goal.

Oops my apologies. Fact remains.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Oops my apologies. Fact remains.

Since McDavid scored on Hutchinson glove hand and keep in mind he catches with his right hand, if Andersen was in net would the puck gone in over his blocker?

 

[zeke]

Since McDavid scored on Hutchinson glove hand and keep in mind he catches with his right hand, if Andersen was in net would the puck gone in over his blocker?

Oh snap great point

 

[baton elevated]

Since McDavid scored on Hutchinson glove hand and keep in mind he catches with his right hand, if Andersen was in net would the puck gone in over his blocker?

Yes definitely

 

[LeafsNation75]

Oh snap great point

Thank you.

Yes definitely

Has McDavid ever scored a similar goal like that where the Goalie had their blocker on their right hand?

 

[baton elevated]

Thank you.

Has McDavid ever scored a similar goal like that where the Goalie had their blocker on their right hand?

I don't know. I'm basing my opinion on the fact Hutch couldn't stop it with his catcher (which is a faster motion) rather than a blocker which is is more cumbersome movement. IMO

 

[baton elevated]

Also,the sliding from right to left would negate the effectiveness of the blocker.

 

[Zybalto]

Good breakdown and analysis.

Rielly and Barrie are the weaker links defensively but also face the toughest QofC at times, whereas Dermott would play more sheltered 3rd pairing minutes against lesser competition resulting in less mistakes and turnovers.

Ceci is prone to mistakes, but if he is playing top 4 or on the bottom pairing in a limited role those #'s you've presented also might reflect usage and QofC faced.

Natural Stick shows our Leafs were in the bottom 5-6 of the league in HDGA, HDSH% & HDSV% , giving up the most goals, most high danger shots% and lower save% from this chances surrendered.

For example the stats say Leafs gave up 122 HDGA which places them 26th in the league as highest goals allowed from high danger areas.

A lot of fans place the blame on Andersen for the most part, but he can't control how many and what kind of high danger scoring opportunities he faces as that falls on his teammates in front of him. His HDSV% is low, but that might also depend on quality of those chances he is facing also.

The eye test while watching our Leafs shows some egregious mistakes, giveaways and defensive zone breakdowns that lead to goals against, and these would be reflected in these negative stats that place the Leafs near the bottom of the league defensively in this respect.

What would you attribute that to?

Link: Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Other folks have already answered adequately but I'll just throw a few other things in.....

When it comes to QoC, dzone starts and defensive deployment, the least sheltered Dmen overall this year on the team would probably rank:

1. Muzzin
2. Ceci
3. Rielly
4. Holl
5. Barrie
6. Dermott

The rest.

Fewest 5v5 giveaways/60 this year:

1. Ceci: 1.45
2. Rielly 2.19
3. Dermott 2.69
4. Barrie 2.74
5. Holl 3.1
6. Muzzin 3.29

 

[Mess]

Other folks have already answered adequately but I'll just throw a few other things in.....

When it comes to QoC, dzone starts and defensive deployment, the least sheltered Dmen overall this year on the team would probably rank:

1. Muzzin
2. Ceci
3. Rielly
4. Holl
5. Barrie
6. Dermott

The rest.

Fewest 5v5 giveaways/60 this year:

1. Ceci: 1.45
2. Rielly 2.19
3. Dermott 2.69
4. Barrie 2.74
5. Holl 3.1
6. Muzzin 3.29

So reading your stats provided does that suggest Muzzin faces the strongest QofC, however our shutdown pair of Muzzin and Holl are also the pairing that are credited with the most giveaways averaging > 3 giveaways each per 60?

Barrie and Dermott are the most sheltered in the Dzone via QofC but 2nd in terms of giveaways as a pairing despite facing easier competition.

Is that a correct interpretation?

Since I'm unsure of your source for this info may I ask how do Leafs Dman giveaways compare to the league average or maybe more relevant how do they compare to Columbus Dcore in these 2 categories?.

 

[zeke]

Other folks have already answered adequately but I'll just throw a few other things in.....

When it comes to QoC, dzone starts and defensive deployment, the least sheltered Dmen overall this year on the team would probably rank:

1. Muzzin
2. Ceci
3. Rielly
4. Holl
5. Barrie
6. Dermott

The rest.

Fewest 5v5 giveaways/60 this year:

1. Ceci: 1.45
2. Rielly 2.19
3. Dermott 2.69
4. Barrie 2.74
5. Holl 3.1
6. Muzzin 3.29

Just to add, in terms of pure QOC, based on opponents' ice time, Rielly stands heads and shoulders above the rest facing top-end first line qoc all season, while muzzin/holl/ceci all have strong but only borderline top line qoc (with muzz/holl on their way up and ceci on his way down), Barrie has light 2nd line competition, while Dermott has faced 3rd pair qoc.

If I were to split toiqoc in to graded tiers it would look like this:

Rielly A

Muzzin B+
Holl B+
Ceci B+

Barrie B-

Dermott C


But you're right that factoring in zone deployment, muzz/holl/ceci have many less ozone shifts than Rielly does.