Value of: Sam Reinhart

[DrJustice]

Don't see why Buffalo would trade him.

He's an RFA to be and I think Buffalo is in a strong position to get him on a good deal.

He's finally producing, but the team can point to his past performances to get him on less $$$ than most Top-3 picks his age.

Unless Nylander develops they don't seem to have much else on the RW to fill that void.

 

[is the answer jesus]

No way. Faulk has not been great this season and the price on Reinhart is rising.

That and Faulk has 2 years until he hits free agency, Reinhart has several more years of cost control. If Carolina wants Reinhart I'd imagine Hanifin would have to be going the other way, he's the only piece that fits Buffalo's needs and has similiar team control along with a comparably high ceiling.

 

[Gabrielor]

I pray the Sabres don’t trade Reinhart this offseason. Too soon, and we won’t get better or maybe even equal value.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Unless we get a similar aged D top4 back there is no point discussing this. We are as short on depth at the wing as we are at D. Only maybe alternative is 2 top end prospects - 1D and 1F. If you are not offering either of the two, dont bother.

 

[staalgood]

Unless we get a similar aged D top4 back there is no point discussing this. We are as short on depth at the wing as we are at D. Only maybe alternative is 2 top end prospects - 1D and 1F. If you are not offering either of the two, dont bother.

I was a little skeptical at first, but a Reinhart/Hanifin swap is growing on me. It's a bit risky for both teams, but hopefully neither player has reached his ceiling and both potentially address the other team's needs.

What is Reinhart's two-way game like? Is he responsible in his own end? Do Buffalo fans think he can handle the defensive responsibilities of center in the NHL?

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Unless we get a similar aged D top4 back there is no point discussing this. We are as short on depth at the wing as we are at D. Only maybe alternative is 2 top end prospects - 1D and 1F. If you are not offering either of the two, dont bother.

So you don't want to trade him for trash anymore?

 

[CatsforReinhart]

I was a little skeptical at first, but a Reinhart/Hanifin swap is growing on me. It's a bit risky for both teams, but hopefully neither player has reached his ceiling and both potentially address the other team's needs.

What is Reinhart's two-way game like? Is he responsible in his own end? Do Buffalo fans think he can handle the defensive responsibilities of center in the NHL?

At the beginning of the season I would have done this trade but I am not so sure anymore. With a very slow start he still scored 23 goals and 48 points. Next year if he continues his development we could be looking at a very good two way player makes very few mistakes and scored 30 goals and 40 assists and that may not be his ceiling. Not easy to get those types of players

 

[Rastin]

Reinhart is very responsible in his own zone. Rarely out of position and makes smart quick plays. While I wouldn't describe him as a defensive stalwart, he is above average and reliable. My only real knock on Sam is he seems to be out-muscled far too easily along the boards. He's effectively useless in the corners because I don't think he's ever won a physical battle at the NHL level. It's a good thing that he has that coveted high hockey IQ because otherwise he wouldn't be able to play in the NHL at all. Hopefully he can bulk up a bit more as he matures.

 

[Starat327]

Not advocating this from either end, but just to gauge value - would the ask from the Flyers be something like Sanheim or Myers?

 

[MackAttack26]

Not advocating this from either end, but just to gauge value - would the ask from the Flyers be something like Sanheim or Myers?

Neither. He is barely older and much better/ more proven than both.

 

[Starat327]

Neither. He is barely older and much better/ more proven than both.

Easy enough. thanks for the response.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

So you don't want to trade him for trash anymore?

When have I proposed to trade him for trash? Please provide a quote.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

At the beginning of the season I would have done this trade but I am not so sure anymore. With a very slow start he still scored 23 goals and 48 points. Next year if he continues his development we could be looking at a very good two way player makes very few mistakes and scored 30 goals and 40 assists and that may not be his ceiling. Not easy to get those types of players

Please all trust HeartForReinhart, hes totally "objective" in Reinhart trade proposals as his nickname would suggest. Botts takes Hanifin for Reinhart in an instant unless we draft Dahlin, then there is no point trading F for D.

 

[is the answer jesus]

When have I proposed to trade him for trash? Please provide a quote.

You made several shitty offers for Reinhart.
1)Mckeown and Bean
2)Lauzon, Vatrano, and a 2nd
3)Carlsson and Milano
All garbage.

 

[Jame]

When have I proposed to trade him for trash? Please provide a quote.

This was a good one: Lehkonen and a 2nd.... lol

Both fanbases pass - normally this means there's some truth to the madness. Let's do this. I admit I know jack **** about Lekhonen, but from fan descriptions it would be the in realm of possibility for straight swap for Sam - we need guys that can snipe goals in as we are severely lacking in that regard right now. Still think based on position alone, age and NHL experience - MTL has to add in a 2nd round pick for balance. MTL needs centers bad so I don't see how they can possibly justify rejecting Reinhart for Lehkonen+2nd if it was truly offered to htem by Big Botts.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

You made several ****ty offers for Reinhart.
1)Mckeown and Bean
2)Lauzon, Vatrano, and a 2nd
3)Carlsson and Milano
All garbage.

I'd assume you are correct as I don't remember every single post I make. Meh, I still maybe take number 1 with some add or improvement on 1 of the players. Maybe number 3 as well if we get something slightly better than Milano or some other add. 2nd is a non-starter at this point that's true. At the time Reinhart had no value, Reinahrt has played very well since and value has increase, thus ask goes up. Logical right?

 

[Jame]

Reinhart is very responsible in his own zone. Rarely out of position and makes smart quick plays. While I wouldn't describe him as a defensive stalwart, he is above average and reliable. My only real knock on Sam is he seems to be out-muscled far too easily along the boards. He's effectively useless in the corners because I don't think he's ever won a physical battle at the NHL level. It's a good thing that he has that coveted high hockey IQ because otherwise he wouldn't be able to play in the NHL at all. Hopefully he can bulk up a bit more as he matures.

He's been downright dominant on the forecheck. Don't mistake occassionally getting knocked on his ass, for being bad in the corners... Reinhart has developed in to the best forechecker on the team.

 

[Jame]

I'd assume you are correct as I don't remember every single post I make. Meh, I still maybe take number 1 with some add or improvement on 1 of the players. Maybe number 3 as well if we get something slightly better than Milano or some other add. 2nd is a non-starter at this point that's true. At the time Reinhart had no value, Reinahrt has played very well since and value has increase, thus ask goes up. Logical right?

No. You just had a terrible evaluation of his value.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I'd assume you are correct as I don't remember every single post I make. Meh, I still maybe take number 1 with some add or improvement on 1 of the players. Maybe number 3 as well if we get something slightly better than Milano or some other add. 2nd is a non-starter at this point that's true. At the time Reinhart had no value, Reinahrt has played very well since and value has increase, thus ask goes up. Logical right?

Why even consider trading a 22 year old coming off 42 and 47 point seasons when he has "no value"? That's the point.

 

[Djp]

Don't see why Buffalo would trade him.

He's an RFA to be and I think Buffalo is in a strong position to get him on a good deal.

He's finally producing, but the team can point to his past performances to get him on less $$$ than most Top-3 picks his age.

Unless Nylander develops they don't seem to have much else on the RW to fill that void.

The only way he is traded is if a Dman of similar age would be coming back like Hanifan.

They would not trade him for picks.

If Buffalo was to draft a winger in the top 4 of the draft then its likely he could be traded for young Dman or they trade ROR for a Dman a little older.

 

[nickdawg95]

one thing i love about reinhart is that he takes a hit to make a play, he'll go into the dirty areas andjust become a dog.

everyone here has been calling reinhart a bust but he's been steadily improving since entering the league. would want a young top 4 D-man for him. Hanifin/skeij/Orlo

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Why even consider trading a 22 year old coming off 42 and 47 point seasons when he has "no value"? That's the point.

These posts were also before Nelson emerged as an actual NHL Dman and Guhle was up. We now have more D slots filled with serviceable D. At the time we had Tennyson and Falk playing. We needed D and we still need D. If we get Dahlin that changes a lot of things in terms of team needs. I'd probably wait for the draft until I go into discussing trades again. As I said at the time Sam was looking like a failure. And 42 and 47 point seasons for a healthy 2nd overall is not much, just FYI. And he has 47 in 78 this year as well, nothing groundbreaking but at least he's finally trending up.

 

[Jame]

These posts were also before Nelson emerged as an actual NHL Dman and Guhle was up. We now have more D slots filled with serviceable D. At the time we had Tennyson and Falk playing. We needed D and we still need D. If we get Dahlin that changes a lot of things in terms of team needs. I'd probably wait for the draft until I go into discussing trades again. As I said at the time Sam was looking like a failure. And 42 and 47 point seasons for a healthy 2nd overall is not much, just FYI. And he has 47 in 78 this year as well, nothing groundbreaking but at least he's finally trending up.

So your analysis was double-terrible? In that, you poorly evaluated both Reinhart and our young D?

 

[inthewings]

Reinhart has 18 goals and 36 points in his last 40 games. At this point, he's established 3 years in a row that he's at least a 20-goal, 45-point guy. But he might have just developed into a 30-goal 60-70 point guy in the second half of his age-22 season. If I'm Buffalo I'm holding to see what Reinhart brings in his age-23 season. There's a zonzero chance it's 30 goals and 70 points. All that would take is him to continue doing what he's already done in his last 40 games.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

At the beginning of the season I would have done this trade but I am not so sure anymore. With a very slow start he still scored 23 goals and 48 points. Next year if he continues his development we could be looking at a very good two way player makes very few mistakes and scored 30 goals and 40 assists and that may not be his ceiling. Not easy to get those types of players

I wouldn't count on Reinhart putting 70 points next year after 3 straight years of mid forties points.