Player Discussion Sam Gagner

[CanaFan]

I'm betting you don't say this if, say, Virtanen scores an OT GWG that's that pretty...
The haters won't admit it but Gagner is better than they want him to be.

That’d only be true if we wanted him to be the zamboni.

 

[MS]

value/cost, is gagner the worst benning signing? dorsett, sutter, eriksson, they all at least did/do something. even sbisa...?

Probably.

He could have been replaced on the roster so far with a $600k veteran AHL scorer and it would probably have been an upgrade.

It looks like Linden Vey just changed the name on the back of his jersey.

 

[me2]

Linden vey is a khl super star. Interesting league to try and get a feel for.

 

[HSD19]

value/cost, is gagner the worst benning signing? dorsett, sutter, eriksson, they all at least did/do something. even sbisa...?

All really bad but I have to say Eriksson 6x6 is just brutal at least with Gagner just 2 more years left after this one or can buy him out before that.

 

[me2]

All really bad but I have to say Eriksson 6x6 is just brutal at least with Gagner just 2 more years left after this one or can buy him out before that.

They are both about $3m overpaid.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

All really bad but I have to say Eriksson 6x6 is just brutal at least with Gagner just 2 more years left after this one or can buy him out before that.

i guess the way i see it, mathematically, zero/9 is still worse than a little bit/36. but then i'm not sure sbisa (at more dollars no less) wasn't just as bad.

 

[Zippgunn]

How unpopular is Sammy right now? He got into a fight last night and literally nobody noticed or at least saw fit to mention it here. Now imagine if that was, say, Jake. People here would be going crazy with joy. Ah Canuck nation...

 

[Hit the post]

How unpopular is Sammy right now? He got into a fight last night and literally nobody noticed or at least saw fit to mention it here. Now imagine if that was, say, Jake. People here would be going crazy with joy. Ah Canuck nation...

I was happy he got into a fight. Got him off the ice (penalty box) which is always a good thing.

 

[looseneditforyou]

Early in the season he seemed to be winning puck battles here and there, making clever plays in the neutral zone, cycling pretty well and getting the puck to the crease. I've seen none of that in a long time. He just disappears for weeks at a time.

 

[CanaFan]

How unpopular is Sammy right now? He got into a fight last night and literally nobody noticed or at least saw fit to mention it here. Now imagine if that was, say, Jake. People here would be going crazy with joy. Ah Canuck nation...

Players earn their popularity or unpopularity. That’s a universal truth across sports.

 

[Zippgunn]

Players earn their popularity or unpopularity. That’s a universal truth across sports.

Rubbish. What exactly has Gagner done to earn what appears to be almost universal derision amongst Canuck "fans"?

 

[Peter10]

Rubbish. What exactly has Gagner done to earn what appears to be almost universal derision amongst Canuck "fans"?

Has done nothing and that is exactly the point. At this stage he is a useless player that got a 3y 9m contract.

 

[tantalum]

Is Gagner receiving derision or an appraisal of his play? It’s the latter. His play is poor. His play is whatbhad him on waivers and in the AHL not long ago.

Benning is the one that gets the derision for offering that contract.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Correct. If/when Benning signs me for league minimum, it won't be my fault that I don't own skates.

 

[CanaFan]

Rubbish. What exactly has Gagner done to earn what appears to be almost universal derision amongst Canuck "fans"?

His game-to-game play, obviously.

Here’s a counter for you: If not his play, what has Gagner done to earn what appears to be almost universal derision amongst Canuck “fans”?

 

[MS]

Rubbish. What exactly has Gagner done to earn what appears to be almost universal derision amongst Canuck "fans"?

He's been absolutely terrible at both ends of the rink and a complete liability save for some good work on the 2nd unit PP.

 

[Zippgunn]

His game-to-game play, obviously.

Here’s a counter for you: If not his play, what has Gagner done to earn what appears to be almost universal derision amongst Canuck “fans”?

You and the rest of the haters know full well the answer to that and I've said it already so I won't waste my breath because, strangely, nobody here wants to admit it. In person, at the pub, well that's a different story. When I pretend to hate Gagner at the pub watching the game (who, honestly, I don't think is fantastic but who I don't think is terrible either) almost everybody who claims he is useless brings up a) the fact that he's an ex-Oiler and b) the Kassian suspension (admittedly with a little prompting from me). Same goes for the whole Bert/Moore fiasco. Nobody online will admit that they think what Bert did was righteous but in person with a few bevvies in them I have yet to meet anybody who thinks that what Bert did was terrible. Gags is outscoring Louie (who makes roughly double what Gags makes) and Jake (who can do no wrong here at all), he's got 3 points in 4 games lately (including an OT/GWG) and, despite his small stature, is even getting into fights. Nobody thought he would be a defensive titan and he has spent the majority of this season playing way above his weight yet is currently 7th in team scoring. He may be somewhat overpaid but to say that he has done "nothing" like so many here suggest is myopic at best and to me conceals what is almost certainly a prejudice based on emotional reactions not practical ones.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

You and the rest of the haters know full well the answer to that and I've said it already so I won't waste my breath because, strangely, nobody here wants to admit it. In person, at the pub, well that's a different story. When I pretend to hate Gagner at the pub watching the game (who, honestly, I don't think is fantastic but who I don't think is terrible either) almost everybody who claims he is useless brings up a) the fact that he's an ex-Oiler and b) the Kassian suspension (admittedly with a little prompting from me). Same goes for the whole Bert/Moore fiasco. Nobody online will admit that they think what Bert did was righteous but in person with a few bevvies in them I have yet to meet anybody who thinks that what Bert did was terrible. Gags is outscoring Louie (who makes roughly double what Gags makes) and Jake (who can do no wrong here at all), he's got 3 points in 4 games lately (including an OT/GWG) and, despite his small stature, is even getting into fights. Nobody thought he would be a defensive titan and he has spent the majority of this season playing way above his weight yet is currently 7th in team scoring. He may be somewhat overpaid but to say that he has done "nothing" like so many here suggest is myopic at best and to me conceals what is almost certainly a prejudice based on emotional reactions not practical ones.

 

[Peter10]

Jake (who can do no wrong here at all),

If you seriously believe that, I doubt you have read the forum here.

 

[Melvin]

You and the rest of the haters know full well the answer to that and I've said it already so I won't waste my breath because, strangely, nobody here wants to admit it.

Off to a weird start since I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here, so just continue.

In person, at the pub, well that's a different story. When I pretend to hate Gagner at the pub watching the game (who, honestly, I don't think is fantastic but who I don't think is terrible either) almost everybody who claims he is useless brings up a) the fact that he's an ex-Oiler and b) the Kassian suspension (admittedly with a little prompting from me).

What Kassian suspension? Or is this part the thing you were referring to that you said you weren't going to "waste [your] breath" on? You think people hate Gagner because he was an Oiler?

Same goes for the whole Bert/Moore fiasco. Nobody online will admit that they think what Bert did was righteous but in person with a few bevvies in them I have yet to meet anybody who thinks that what Bert did was terrible.

Complete non sequitur, but, yes, most people are pretty stupid, and get even stupider after a "few bevvies." You should join the current discussion in the management thread.

Gags is outscoring Louie (who makes roughly double what Gags makes) and Jake (who can do no wrong here at all), he's got 3 points in 4 games lately (including an OT/GWG) and, despite his small stature, is even getting into fights. Nobody thought he would be a defensive titan and he has spent the majority of this season playing way above his weight yet is currently 7th in team scoring. He may be somewhat overpaid but to say that he has done "nothing" like so many here suggest is myopic at best and to me conceals what is almost certainly a prejudice based on emotional reactions not practical ones.

I should break even this into smaller pieces because there is so much here.

1) He's 7th on the team that is currently 29th in the NHL in scoring.
2) He is not outscoring Louie. He has one more point in 12 more games. He has one *fewer* goal.
3) Eriksson is probably the most-maligned Canuck, so great comparison.
4) Eriksson is an ex-Bruin by the way.
5) If you seriously think Jake can "do no wrong" you have not been around here much.
6) Virtanen plays a completely different role from Gagner, basically on the 4th line with no special teams play (including OT.) Despite this, he has more goals than Gagner, and more even strength points.
7) I am not sure what you think is "myopic" about it unless you are suggesting that years 2 and 3 of his contract are going to bring something to the table that year 1 has not.

Honestly, what is up with you, Gagner and Virtanen? It's a bit of a weird fixation. If you are Gagner's cousin or something it's okay, you can tell us. Just want to know. Chris Higgins's brother used to post here when he was a Canuck. I can't explain why you hate Virtanen so much though.

Gagner doesn't contibute offensively 5-on-5 and plays atrocious defense. He is basically a PP specialist but not nearly a good enough one to make up for his faults. At 3M dollars he is not especially expensive but he is looking like a buyout candidate right now

 

[VanJack]

This thing is, Gagner is likely playing 'no better' or 'no worse' than he's ever played. Torts got the max from him with sheltered minutes and first-unit pp time last season in Columbus. But the reality is with his face-off performance (career 40%) and defensive deficiencies, he's never been able to carry a line as a center in a five-on--five situation.

I think most posters would have fine with a one-year flier on such a player. They might even have gulped a bit and accepted two years like Del Zotto. But three years at $3m per season is an albatross of a contract. But that's on the GM, not the player.

 

[Melvin]

He was more productive at even strength last season, but as others have noted it was really just a crazy hot streak to start the season, culminating in 15 points in 12 games last December. In the calendar year of 2017 he now has 36 points in 83 games with most of the damage being done on the PP. I believe he has three goals scored 5-on-5 during that span, a full season's worth of games.

 

[Askel]

He was more productive at even strength last season, but as others have noted it was really just a crazy hot streak to start the season, culminating in 15 points in 12 games last December. In the calendar year of 2017 he now has 36 points in 83 games with most of the damage being done on the PP. I believe he has three goals scored 5-on-5 during that span, a full season's worth of games.

Gagner is trash and should be benched IMO, non productive ,soft & bad defensevly. Bad signing, really thought he would be better than this. 2 more years WTF

 

[RobertKron]

You and the rest of the haters know full well the answer to that and I've said it already so I won't waste my breath because, strangely, nobody here wants to admit it. In person, at the pub, well that's a different story. When I pretend to hate Gagner at the pub watching the game (who, honestly, I don't think is fantastic but who I don't think is terrible either) almost everybody who claims he is useless brings up a) the fact that he's an ex-Oiler and b) the Kassian suspension (admittedly with a little prompting from me). Same goes for the whole Bert/Moore fiasco. Nobody online will admit that they think what Bert did was righteous but in person with a few bevvies in them I have yet to meet anybody who thinks that what Bert did was terrible. Gags is outscoring Louie (who makes roughly double what Gags makes) and Jake (who can do no wrong here at all), he's got 3 points in 4 games lately (including an OT/GWG) and, despite his small stature, is even getting into fights. Nobody thought he would be a defensive titan and he has spent the majority of this season playing way above his weight yet is currently 7th in team scoring. He may be somewhat overpaid but to say that he has done "nothing" like so many here suggest is myopic at best and to me conceals what is almost certainly a prejudice based on emotional reactions not practical ones.

Hahah you go to the bar and pretend to hate Sam Gagner.

Let me guess, once you shut down all the haters the whole bar applauds, right?

 

[CanaFan]

You and the rest of the haters know full well the answer to that and I've said it already so I won't waste my breath because, strangely, nobody here wants to admit it. In person, at the pub, well that's a different story. When I pretend to hate Gagner at the pub watching the game (who, honestly, I don't think is fantastic but who I don't think is terrible either) almost everybody who claims he is useless brings up a) the fact that he's an ex-Oiler and b) the Kassian suspension (admittedly with a little prompting from me). Same goes for the whole Bert/Moore fiasco. Nobody online will admit that they think what Bert did was righteous but in person with a few bevvies in them I have yet to meet anybody who thinks that what Bert did was terrible. Gags is outscoring Louie (who makes roughly double what Gags makes) and Jake (who can do no wrong here at all), he's got 3 points in 4 games lately (including an OT/GWG) and, despite his small stature, is even getting into fights. Nobody thought he would be a defensive titan and he has spent the majority of this season playing way above his weight yet is currently 7th in team scoring. He may be somewhat overpaid but to say that he has done "nothing" like so many here suggest is myopic at best and to me conceals what is almost certainly a prejudice based on emotional reactions not practical ones.

You’re right, you shouldn’t have wasted your breath. That post barely makes sense and the parts that do are just laughably wrong.

Save us all some time and stop posting please. It’s painful to watch.