Sale of the Sens - the renewal WC let us all down...

[Joeyjoejoe]

I hope Wondercarrot is right. The same person who told me about the Hoffman news weeks ago also said the sale rumours are true (Guy Laliberte & crew) as well as Melnyk missing payments that were covered by the league. He thought the sale was going to happen after July 1. No idea if that will happen, but Wondercarrot has been here forever and if the sale doesn't happen soon or at all, I hope he will not be run off the board.

God you don't know how badly I needed this!!!!

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Well, I'm buckled up.....

What next?

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I dont know why but I find it funny that Burrows liked that tweet. Give that guy another extension!

 

[The Lewler]

I wonder if we will all one day look back at this period of time and reminisce about how crazy/entertaining it was.

One can only hope.

 

[Micklebot]

So... if the team does in fact get sold, how long before we see the new owner clean house?

If they do clean house, who survives?

Dorion?
Lee?
Boucher et al?
Obviously our current President and CEO will stay on

 

[edguy]

So... if the team does in fact get sold, how long before we see the new owner clean house?

If they do clean house, who survives?

Dorion?
Lee?
Boucher et al?
Obviously our current President and CEO will stay on

I would littetaly clean house, only survivors maybe being Chris Schwartz and the rest of the conditioning staff. Coaches, scouts, managers, everyone else gone.
We need a clean slate

 

[BondraTime]

I would littetaly clean house, only survivors maybe being Chris Schwartz and the rest of the conditioning staff. Coaches, scouts, managers, everyone else gone.
We need a clean slate

Why would we get rid of our scouts? They have literally been the only good part of the organisation. A team would promptly sweep up Mann and make him head of their Scouting department.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I hope Wondercarrot is right. The same person who told me about the Hoffman news weeks ago also said the sale rumours are true (Guy Laliberte & crew) as well as Melnyk missing payments that were covered by the league. He thought the sale was going to happen after July 1. No idea if that will happen, but Wondercarrot has been here forever and if the sale doesn't happen soon or at all, I hope he will not be run off the board.

Personally won't believe it until I see it, if there was a new owner waiting...now is definitely the time to swoop in and put this garbage to rest! I have appreciated Wonder's input over the years here and will certainly not hold it against them if the info they were provided is incorrect.

 

[Micklebot]

I would littetaly clean house, only survivors maybe being Chris Schwartz and the rest of the conditioning staff. Coaches, scouts, managers, everyone else gone.
We need a clean slate

Trent Mann is good. No need to purge him imo. There are some other quality scouts too. Not sure why we'd be ditching the amateur scouts rather than just beefing up that department along with some select cuts.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

So... if the team does in fact get sold, how long before we see the new owner clean house?

If they do clean house, who survives?

Dorion?
Lee?
Boucher et al?
Obviously our current President and CEO will stay on

Only thing I will keep is the amateur scouts and some of our development people. It's the only thing that the organization got going for it. Even the pro scouts have been garbage for 10 years now, we are always on the losing side of acquiring/ trading/signing pro talent.

 

[Micklebot]

Not sure if this has already been suggested, but perhaps the reason Dorion has been adamant that he won't trade Karlsson till after Jul 1 and an offer has been made is because he knows about the potential sale, and Jul 1st is the target date for that sale?

A guy can dream, right?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I would littetaly clean house, only survivors maybe being Chris Schwartz and the rest of the conditioning staff. Coaches, scouts, managers, everyone else gone.
We need a clean slate

Keep the amateur scouts...ditch the pro scouts.

 

[edguy]

Keep the amateur scouts...ditch the pro scouts.

If we keep the amateur guys we definitely need to add to the department, in all areas.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

If we keep the amateur guys we definitely need to add to the department, in all areas.

Definitely. Adding people in pretty much all areas of the organization is needed.

 

[Micklebot]

So, assuming a sale goes through, and new ownership opts to go with a clean slate (or close to it), will we be able to attract top candidates for GM and coaching positions? How about UFA?

Also, who would you target for GM and head coach?

(I'm trying to take my mind off the flames currently surrounding this org and focus on happy thoughts...)

 

[BatherSeason]

So, assuming a sale goes through, and new ownership opts to go with a clean slate (or close to it), will we be able to attract top candidates for GM and coaching positions? How about UFA?

Also, who would you target for GM and head coach?

(I'm trying to take my mind off the flames currently surrounding this org and focus on happy thoughts...)

Gonna cost a little money, but blank check for Barry Trotz

 

[edguy]

So, assuming a sale goes through, and new ownership opts to go with a clean slate (or close to it), will we be able to attract top candidates for GM and coaching positions? How about UFA?

Also, who would you target for GM and head coach?

(I'm trying to take my mind off the flames currently surrounding this org and focus on happy thoughts...)

For me new ownership (as long as they are stable), should bring a top GM candidate (Mark Hunter???), as far as coaches go, I'd personally prefer someone with NHL experience Alain Vigneault perhaps, as long as he has learned from his mistakes in NYR.

With guys like them in the organisation we should be able to attract a good UFA here, (not to sure we have the cap space to grab a John Carlsson calibre one. But at least we should be an option with the right people)

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

So, assuming a sale goes through, and new ownership opts to go with a clean slate (or close to it), will we be able to attract top candidates for GM and coaching positions? How about UFA?

Also, who would you target for GM and head coach?

(I'm trying to take my mind off the flames currently surrounding this org and focus on happy thoughts...)

People always ask this about a dysfunctional team looking for talent, but at the end of the day there are only 31 jobs in this industry, and if the new ownership is willing to pay market value for talent (Unlike Carolina), there will be people interested in the position.

For the GM position I will be looking at poaching assistants from successful teams such as Jets, Preds, Washington, Tampa etc.

 

[Sensung]

Not sure if this has already been suggested, but perhaps the reason Dorion has been adamant that he won't trade Karlsson till after Jul 1 and an offer has been made is because he knows about the potential sale, and Jul 1st is the target date for that sale?

A guy can dream, right?

Makes sense of many things surrounding the team right now...

 

[Micklebot]

People always ask this about a dysfunctional team looking for talent, but at the end of the day there are only 31 jobs in this industry, and if the new ownership is willing to pay market value for talent (Unlike Carolina), there will be people interested in the position.

For the GM position I will be looking at poaching assistants from successful teams such as Jets, Preds, Washington, Tampa etc.

Problem as I see it is top candidates are looking for a place they can see themselves having success. A GM you might convince because they are evaluated on a more long term basis, but a head coach would have to be convinced (in the same way Babcock was by the leafs) that he will be secure in his role through the initial tough times.

Hunter seems like an ok option for GM, as for coach, I'd like to see somebody with experience but a track record of developing youth too.

 

[edguy]

Why would we get rid of our scouts? They have literally been the only good part of the organisation. A team would promptly sweep up Mann and make him head of their Scouting department.

I guess my one question for Mann and Co. is, is he really ranking high offensive upside (Tolvanen) lower then guys like Shane Bowers, or is that Management picking lower ranked players for their low bust factor. That has always been a big issue I have had with our drafts, we take the guys like Bowers, Lazar, Even White over guys like Mantha, Tolvanen, Boeser/Aho etc..
If it's Mann making those choices, then personally I think we can do better. We are missing on high picks far too often. I do give them credit for their mid-late round picks though

 

[BondraTime]

I guess my one question for Mann and Co. is, is he really ranking high offensive upside (Tolvanen) lower then guys like Shane Bowers, or is that Management picking lower ranked players for their low bust factor. That has always been a big issue I have had with our drafts, we take the guys like Bowers, Lazar, Even White over guys like Mantha, Tolvanen, Boeser/Aho etc..
If it's Mann making those choices, then personally I think we can do better. We are missing on high picks far too often. I do give them credit for their mid-late round picks though

In Mann's tenure we've picked:

Chabot
Gagne
White
Chlapik
Brown
Dahlen
Bowers
Batherson
Formenton
Wolanin


30 teams passed on Tolvanen. Same with Boeser and Aho (getting Chabot and White is more than a good 1st in which your highest pick is 18)

I mean, I guess you can qualify Bowers and White as safe, both were picked exactly where they were ranked, which was higher than Boeser/Aho/etc..

 

[armani]

So... if the team does in fact get sold, how long before we see the new owner clean house?

If they do clean house, who survives?

Dorion?
Lee?
Boucher et al?
Obviously our current President and CEO will stay on

Karlsson re-signed without a doubt.
Stone and Duchene re-signed. Hopefully Dizzy.
New GM maybe able to obtain value (depending on uow things play out) for Hoffman if he is not traded by PD already.
The Chabots the Whites the young guys.

Then who knows. I actually don't mind PD the Scout.

 

[armani]

In Mann's tenure we've picked:

Chabot
White
Chlapik
Brown
Dahlen
Bowers
Batherson
Formentopn
Wolanin

All excellent picks relative to where they were picked.

 

[Upgrayedd]

So, assuming a sale goes through, and new ownership opts to go with a clean slate (or close to it), will we be able to attract top candidates for GM and coaching positions? How about UFA?

Also, who would you target for GM and head coach?

(I'm trying to take my mind off the flames currently surrounding this org and focus on happy thoughts...)

Would strongly depend on the hypothetical new owners business reputation imo, if we get a new cash rich ownership group who is open about the issues that have occurred in the past and do not condone them attached to a general plan with some direction going forward people would buy in including outsiders imo, besides the current tire fire the city is a real beaut imo, it's got everything especially for those young families! Hate the man but love the saying, the Sens swap needs to be drained.

On a side note, the choice to ditch my season seats this past off season is seemingly one of the best decisions I have made to date, literally sadly excited I got out when I did!