Brassard. Why should the Penguins give up a 1st, 2nd or prospect, and a goalie for a 3rd line center?
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Brassard. Why should the Penguins give up a 1st, 2nd or prospect, and a goalie for a 3rd line center?
Empoleon8771
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Are you just not reading my posts or something? Re-read over my posts again, specifically this part:
Because
a) When you can get the three stars rolling on three different lines, you create a special kind of hell for the opponent and its always option A
b) Kessel and Malkin hasn't really worked this year (except on 3 v 3). Dunno why but it hasn't. Going by the stats, there's genuinely an argument for leaving Kessel with Sheahan rather than putting him with Malkin should we not get a 3C, particularly as long as Geno is killing it with his new buddies
Honestly, this year, the best C for Kessel so far looks to be Sid. And, tbh, Sid does kinda have a possibly vacancy on his line.
You aren't making much sense other than defending Sheahan. The whole hockey world save for a few posters on this board can see the obvious.
Empoleon8771
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How am I not making sense? You're just not reading my posts. My opinion on Sheahan is the majority opinion here, he's a 3C but a bad fit for the 3C on this team because of how many skilled wingers the Penguins have. This isn't defending Sheahan, it's being realistic about what he has done for the Penguins and realistically looking at the future with him.
He has done well here, that is indisputable unless you have an ax to grind. Even Rutherford has said Sheahan has done well. That doesn't change that he's a bad fit for the 3C considering who else the Penguins have on the wings, so they need to bring in a guy who meshes better with Kessel.
I would rather that package than moving Sprong before we really get to see his development. Just out of curiousity, what do you think Brassard is worth?
Empoleon8771
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yup. he is a 3c but he is not a 3c.
Okay, you're just not reading my posts then. If you lack the reading comprehension to follow along with a very simple conversation, I'm not going to bother explaining it to you.
Literally everyone else understands and agrees with my statement, I don't know why you're having such a problem with it.
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I done with talking about Sheahan,.. I am disappointed I let myself tbh.
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I wouldn't say "extremely poor" without knowing what other moves are on the table.
There be a trade for a really good 3C where the trading team wants a lesser center as part of the package. In that case, using Sheahan as a chip might make some sense. That's pretty unlikely mid season though.
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What? For Brassard, I'd definitely give up that package. I would want to know if he's cool with playing 3rd fiddle before I made the deal though.
Empoleon8771
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The issue is that if you trade him, you're immediately going to need to replace him, so it's kinda plugging one hole while opening another. I'm not confident enough in Cullen being that guy to pull the trigger on that kind of move, and that's assuming Cullen even comes here. If Cullen comes in, I want him to be a Rowney or Fehr type of player, a 5th center playing wing on the 4th line.
Cullen-Sheahan-Rust would be a kickass 4th line I think, but I'd be concerned that JR would just settle with Cullen sliding on the 3rd line, which would be a really bad decision. Cullen of last year or 2 years ago would be able to do that, but I don't think Cullen today would be able to do that.
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My thoughts on Sheahan are that he's a 3.5ish Center... A good 4C/PK option and a mediocre 3C option. Everything that a stereotypical bottom 6 C has... Good faceoffs, good PKer, mediocre across the board in everything else.
I'm not in favor of "upgrading" Sheahan, I'd like to acquire a true 3C and push Sheahan down to 4C. I understand that paying a 4C almost $2,000,000 is not ideal, but I think if we could get that true 3C then pushing Sheahan to 4C could be the depth piece that helps us take that next step. And with Sheahan coming into RFA-status next season, we wouldn't be hand-cuffed with the spending there.
I'm not in favor of "upgrading" Sheahan, I'd like to acquire a true 3C and push Sheahan down to 4C. I understand that paying a 4C almost $2,000,000 is not ideal, but I think if we could get that true 3C then pushing Sheahan to 4C could be the depth piece that helps us take that next step. And with Sheahan coming into RFA-status next season, we wouldn't be hand-cuffed with the spending there.
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Dude is signed through next year. We would be Cup favorites for the next 2 years with Crosby, Malkin, Brassard down the middle. You're barely subtracting from the roster and you keep all your top wingers and prospects minus a goalie that might be in the NHL in 3 years. That's a damn good trade for Pittsburgh. Trouble is, Ottawa would never do it. They want young NHL ready talent.
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I don't disagree, but as you and others have listed, there are plenty of low end 3C / 4C guys available. If in some strange universe, Ottawa would want Sheahan as part of package + futures for Brassard, I'd definitely do it and find a cheap rental or reclamation project 4C.
Cullen is having a tough year. We wouldn't be getting the Cullen of the prior two years. I hope we stay away.
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If Cullen were brought in, we certainly would not get the one from last year or 2016 but I do think we would get a Cullen that's better than what we've seen of him so far this season in Minnie.
Cullen at Minnie is only a little behind his 4th line production here, despite being having to acclimatize to a new system that plays to his strengths less. I'd be really wary of writing him off totally because its not quite working for him there.
Tbh, experienced versatile guy with talent who will slot right in with no worries is a dream come true for a rental. The only worry is his legs and Minnesota fans aren't talking about that. Besides, you could give him Kuhnhackl's slot and minutes and be a better team with little worries about his legs.
I get the worry about Rutherford calling it a day just because he has Cullen, but I doubt Rutherford is thinking like that. As long as he isn't, I'd snap him up if available.
Which still leaves the problem of B. Not to mention constructing lines in the hope of achieving A.
Tbh, experienced versatile guy with talent who will slot right in with no worries is a dream come true for a rental. The only worry is his legs and Minnesota fans aren't talking about that. Besides, you could give him Kuhnhackl's slot and minutes and be a better team with little worries about his legs.
I get the worry about Rutherford calling it a day just because he has Cullen, but I doubt Rutherford is thinking like that. As long as he isn't, I'd snap him up if available.
Which still leaves the problem of B. Not to mention constructing lines in the hope of achieving A.
Pens need a permanent solution to the third line center. I as all for moving certain assets but the return has to fit for the Crosby/Malkin eventual decline. With so many franchises needing centers especially top line center, the costs are really prohibitive now. If GMJR wants to keep the balls in the air for the next three years, he needs to be proactive when the deal presents itself. Pens are good to very good on D with five players signed for the next two to 5 years. So draft well, maybe get what fits in the off season without giving up young assets may serve the franchise better in the long run.
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