Salary Cap: Salary Cap Thread - Hey.. what are your thoughts on Sheahan?

[ColePens]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling	$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed	74,595,375​
Projected LTIR Used	84,259​
Approximate cap space	$488,884​

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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.	Age	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Evgeni Malkin	C​	31​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby	C​	30​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​
Phil Kessel	RW​	29​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist	RW​	30​	4,250,000​	UFA​
Carl Hagelin	LW​	29​	4,000,000​	4,000,000​	UFA​
Conor Sheary	LW​	25​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan	C​	25​	2,075,000​	RFA​
Ryan Reaves	RW​	30​	1,125,000​	UFA​
Jake Guentzel	LW​	22​	734,167​	734,167​	RFA​
Dominik Simon	C/RW​	23​	692,500​	RFA​
Bryan Rust	RW​	25​	640,000​	RFA​
Jean-Sebastien Dea	C​	23​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Kuhnhackl	LW​	25​	625,000​	RFA​
Carter Rowney	C​	28​	612,500​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Kris Letang	D​	30​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​
Justin Schultz	D​	27​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin	D​	26​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​
Olli Maatta	D​	23​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick	D​	32​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​
Ian Cole	D​	28​	2,100,000​	UFA​
Jamie Oleksiak	D​	25​	964,688​	RFA​
Chad Ruhwedel	D​	27​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Matt Murray	G​	23​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​
Casey DeSmith	G​	25​	675,000​	675,000​	UFA​

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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.	Age	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Zach Aston-Reese	LW​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Adam Johnson	C​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Thomas Di Pauli	C​	23​	742,500​	RFA​
Freddie Tiffels	LW​	22​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Sam Miletic	LW​	20​	710,000​	710,000​	710,000​
Teddy Blueger	C​	23​	705,000​	RFA​
Daniel Sprong	RW​	20​	692,500​	RFA​
Garrett Wilson	LW​	24​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Sestito	LW​	29​	650,000​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Andrey Pedan	D​	24​	750,000​	RFA​
Jeff Taylor	D​	23​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Ethan Prow	D​	24​	730,000​	RFA​
Lukas Bengtsson	D​	24​	705,000​	RFA​
Frank Corrado	D​	24​	650,000​	RFA​
Jarred Tinordi	D​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Zach Trotman	D​	27​	650,000​	UFA​
Kevin Czuczman	D​	26​	650,000​	UFA​
Chris Summers	D​	29​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Michael Leighton	G​	36​	650,000​	UFA​
Tristan Jarry	G​	22​	630,833​	RFA​

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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.	Age	Current team	Contract
Filip Gustavsson	G​	19​	Lulea HF (SHL)​	3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio	G​	18​	Saint John (QMJHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive	C​	18​	Lethbridge (WHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​

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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.	Age	Current team
Niclas Almari	D​	19​	HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello	F​	21​	Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks	D​	21​	Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist	F​	19​	Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg	F​	18​	Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall	D​	19​	Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones	D​	21​	Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty	F​	22​	Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon	D​	18​	Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius	D​	20​	Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund	F​	20​	Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi	D​	18​	Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev	F​	20​	Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips	D​	17​	Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly	D​	19​	RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher	C​	24​	HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[Dipsy Doodle]

Why? They looked really good when together with Sheary and backed it up with production. They're still probably one of our best lines stat wise this season.

I get that both wingers are busy helping other more important centres right now but, that aside, I see no reason to object to the line, other than it keeps Kessel in the top 6.

It should be pointed out that Hornqvist and Sheahan combined for precisely one point this season. That's nowhere near enough to convince me that those 2 should be the backbone of our 3rd line come playoff time.

 

[Peat]

It should be pointed out that Hornqvist and Sheahan combined for precisely one point this season. That's nowhere near enough to convince me that those 2 should be the backbone of our 3rd line come playoff time.

Does it matter who combined with who exactly when the line has three goals in its 37ish minutes of ice time?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Does it matter who combined with who exactly when the line has three goals in its 37ish minutes of ice time?

Yes, it does. Because the argument for Sheahan as 3C hinges on those 37 minutes of icetime, which is a problem in and of itself.

Don't you agree that 37 minutes is a tiny sample size to base constructing a 3rd line around?

 

[Andy99]

20 Penguins Thoughts: Possible Matt Cullen return on radar

Mackey has Cullen returning if Minn remains out the playoffs. IMO that only happens if JR fails to a 3C, though he'd be a better wing on the fourth line than Kuhn....

 

[Tom Hanks]

20 Penguins Thoughts: Possible Matt Cullen return on radar

Mackey has Cullen returning if Minn remains out the playoffs. IMO that only happens if JR fails to a 3C, though he'd be a better wing on the fourth line than Kuhn....

If you bring in Cullen it changes a bit who you need to bring in for a 3C. Sheahan and Cullen would be your PK centres so the 3C doesn’t need to do that.

 

[cheesedanish87]

I can't see the Wild falling out of the playoff hunt, they are tied for the last wildcard spot right now.

Chuck Fletcher needs the wild to make the playoffs and go on a run to save his job, he isn't going to sell unless something crazy happens.

 

[Peat]

Don't you agree that 37 minutes is a tiny sample size to base constructing a 3rd line around?

It is a small sample, yes.

But it's big enough to want to see more and be surprised that others hate the idea of it - not be against using it now due to circumstances, but be just flat against it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

My concern with bringing Cullen back is that I could see that being the only move Rutherford makes. I'd rather him go after an actual 3C solution, not just add Cullen.

 

[Nakawick]

If Sheahan goes out as part of a package for a center upgrade, Cullen could come in to be the 4c. That might be the best case scenario depending on the center we get. Sheahan's salary moving out helps accommodate the new center and we get Cullen at 50% for one of our 5th's this year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I find the likelihood that the Penfuins trade Sheahan after he has done as well as he has to be borderline zero. They're not going to trade him so they can gamble on a 42 year old player having some gas left in the tank. Trading him would be an extremely poor decision.

 

[Nakawick]

I wouldn't call Sheahan "doing well" at all. Seems like we are trying to upgrade him no? But I am sick of the Sheahan debate.

 

[Shaffer]

Summarizing Mackey's 20 thoughts from today . . .

Cullen return IS possible. Not imminent but if MIN falls out of contention, it's possible. Cullen would only return to PIT and not any other team, sources tell Mackey.

 

[Pens x]

I wouldn't call Sheahan "doing well" at all. Seems like we are trying to upgrade him no? But I am sick of the Sheahan debate.

It is almost as tiring as the bring back Cullen discussions that have been mentioned from day 1. I don’t want to bring back Cullen. Jimmy will then waste another offseason next summer waiting for Cullen to decide if he comes back. We’ve been there and done that.

Sheahan is a mediocre third line center. He’s just kind of there. He’s just so vanilla to deserve to play with such good wingers.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I wouldn't call Sheahan "doing well" at all. Seems like we are trying to upgrade him no? But I am sick of the Sheahan debate.

I'm not surprised you wouldn't say he's doing well, you've taken every opportunity you can to **** on him because you clearly hate him.

Sheahan has done well here. He's a ****ty fit for the 3C spot here, but that doesn't change the fact that has been solid for the Penguins.

 

[Nakawick]

I'm not surprised you wouldn't say he's doing well, you've taken every opportunity you can to **** on him because you clearly hate him.

Sheahan has done well here. He's a ****ty fit for the 3C spot here, but that doesn't change the fact that has been solid for the Penguins.

Sheahan is a 3c on maybe Arizona, Buffalo, a crappy Red Wings team and an under performing Pens team.

 

[Peat]

I wouldn't call Sheahan "doing well" at all. Seems like we are trying to upgrade him no? But I am sick of the Sheahan debate.

He hasn't done great with Kessel and if we are determined to run Kessel on line 3, we need a more suited 3C. Pretty much everyone agrees with that.

Whether he's done well in general is a different question with a variety of opinion, which is why it run and runs. Personally I think he's shown strong ES production despite difficult zone starts while being part of a dominant PK unit and having good defensive stats, and that is doing pretty good. He'd be 3C on a lot more teams than you suggest.


Not that I'd at all hesitate to move him out in a move for a more-Kessel friendly 3C if that's what it took and the value was right. Wouldn't like it, but would do ti.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Sheahan is a 3c on maybe Arizona, Buffalo, a crappy Red Wings team and an under performing Pens team.

Uh okay? That doesn't disprove my claim that he has been solid here.

Look, I get it, Sheahan kicked your dog or something. I clearly get that impression from reading your sarcastic shots at him that you post at every opportunity. You disliking him is irrelevant of him doing well for the Penguins. He's on pace for about 30 points with the Penguins, has been heavily relied on defensively this year, is killing it with faceoffs, has been eating pretty heavy minutes and has about neutral possession stats. He's done well here. You can say he's a bad fit for the 3C spot here and you want an upgrade while also saying he has done well in the 3C spot here.

 

[Nakawick]

He hasn't done great with Kessel and if we are determined to run Kessel on line 3, we need a more suited 3C. Pretty much everyone agrees with that.

Whether he's done well in general is a different question with a variety of opinion, which is why it run and runs. Personally I think he's shown strong ES production despite difficult zone starts while being part of a dominant PK unit and having good defensive stats, and that is doing pretty good. He'd be 3C on a lot more teams than you suggest.


Not that I'd at all hesitate to move him out in a move for a more-Kessel friendly 3C if that's what it took and the value was right. Wouldn't like it, but would do ti.

Why don't we just leave Kessel with Malkin then? It worked last year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why don't we just leave Kessel with Malkin then?

Sullivan wants Kessel on his own line and even if Kessel was on Malkin's line, Sheahan doesn't mesh well with the other skilled players that he'd be playing with. If your 3rd line wingers were Rust and Hornqvist, I think Sheahan would be a good fit for the 3C. But those guys aren't the 3rd line wingers and probably won't be.

 

[Nakawick]

Jake Sid Sheary
Hags Geno Phil
Rust Sheahan Hornqvist

that was easy

 

[Nakawick]

1st, 2nd/prospect, Gustavvson, Sheahan for Brassard

5th for Cullen @50%

 

[Shockmaster]

1st, 2nd/prospect, Gustavvson, Sheahan for Brassard

5th for Cullen @50%

Massive overpayment.

 

[Nakawick]

Massive overpayment.

I would take out the 2nd/prospect personally,... but I would pay that for 2 years of Brassard. Or were you talking about the Cullen trade?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jake Sid Sheary
Hags Geno Phil
Rust Sheahan Hornqvist

that was easy

I guess you missed the "Sullivan wants Kessel on his own line" part.