Salary Cap: Salary Cap Thread for 2015-16 season - Cap set at 71.4m

[BinCookin]

Update:

When both (Pulk/Jurco) are signed for combined ~1.7M, we are ~1.0-1.1M over the cap.

Then we could burn Kindl to minors creating 925k room and have a 23-man roster, but it still keeps us 200k over the cap.

It forces us to trade a guy like Drew Miller, whose caphit will fit as best solution for the problem. Of course, we can dream about the Kindl trade which would open more space, but I just don't believe it will happen.

If Datsyuk and Franzen aren't on LTIR at season start, somebody has to move. If they are, fine, but it pushes the problem only for the future and just same decisions come later.

Here is a list of our most likely lineup with salary cap numbers for this year.

Zetterberg(6.083)-Datsyuk(7.50)-Abdelkader(1.80)
Tatar(2.75)-Richards(3.0)-Nyquist(4.75)
Pulkkinen(~0.900???)-Sheahan(0.95)-Helm(2.125)
Miller(1.350)-Glendenning(0.628)-Jurco(~0.950???)

Franzen (3.954), Andersson(0.815), Ferraro(0.600)

Kronwall(4.75)-Ericsson(4.25)
Dekeyser(2.188)-Green(6.00)
Smith(2.75)-Quincey(4.25)
Kindl(2.40)

Howard(5.292)
Mrazek(0.738)

2014-15 Bonus overage - (0.740)
Weiss buyout - (1.067)



So, here are our possible scenarios:

Salary Cap = 71.4 M For mostly likely 14 Forwards; 7 Defensemen; 2 Goalies (and other costs)

1) Franzen Returns, Ferraro Waived: 71.98 M (OVER THE CAP)(TRADE REQUIRED)

2) Franzen LTIR: 68.625 M (UNDER THE CAP)

On the assumption Franzen can return.

If we Waive Kindl (-0.925K) add XO (+0.67K)

We get 71.98 down to 71.725 and thus simply pushing Kindl to the AHL, does not give us enough breathing room.

There is a conclusion here: We actually need to TRADE away Kindl/Quincey/Miller to get the room for Franzen. We cannot simply Demote someone to the AHL.

 

[Henkka]

I don't want Ferraro sent down, because he would be claimed 100% sure. He's better player someone like Nestrasil ever will be.

Kindl traded would be best scenario ever but he has negative value.

Quincey is needed on the ice.

Miller caphit fits best to solve these caphit problems. So trade him.

 

[BinCookin]

I don't want Ferraro sent down.

Kindl traded would be best scenario ever but he has negative value.

Quincey is needed on the ice.

Miller caphit fits best to solve these caphit problems. So trade him.

Well if Franzen is back, cant keep andersson and ferraro, unless u want 6 D, and 15 forwards. Which we wont do.

One of the forwards will have to go if Franzen is back. The question is who?

(P.S. thats just for the roster spot)... for the Cap. Kindl or Quincey or Miller would have to go (for the CAP).

So the 1 move that would do both is Miller.

Else You trade Kindl, and still send down a forward (and maybe lose him)

 

[Henkka]

If Miller goes, only problem would be his job on the PK. Helm-Glendening would become the starting duo and Sheahan-Abdelkader the another one.

If there's injuries, both Andersson and Ferraro as 13-14th forwards are instant PK help.

 

[Frk It]

I don't want Ferraro sent down, because he would be claimed 100% sure. He's better player someone like Nestrasil ever will be.

Kindl traded would be best scenario ever but he has negative value.

Quincey is needed on the ice.

Miller caphit fits best to solve these caphit problems. So trade him.

How do you figure? Nestrasil went on to have 18 pts in 41 gms for the Canes. I bet you Ferraro never produces points like that in the NHL.

 

[Henkka]

Nah, put Ferraro at Canes and he will produce. But I want him to our future penalty kill.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

How do you figure? Nestrasil went on to have 18 pts in 41 gms for the Canes. I bet you Ferraro never produces points like that in the NHL.

Ferraro could easily have a Patrick Eaves outlier year.

He has scored goals at a solid clip in the AHL a couple times. Has a heavy and high wrist shot along with wheels that get him chances.

You put him in a role with ice time and tell him to score and he probably could. Your team would be bad, but that isn't to say he doesn't have the talent to do it. Luckily we are going to use him in a depth role and I think that is where he is best suited at the NHL level. But he has more talent than Nestrasil, even though I did say all of last summer I could see Nestrasil beating them out because of his wall play. Still Ferraro's skills are very under-appreciated around here in my opinion. He does somethings pretty well, putting the puck in the net is one of them, skating and pk work are the others.

 

[DanZ]

How do you figure? Nestrasil went on to have 18 pts in 41 gms for the Canes. I bet you Ferraro never produces points like that in the NHL.

I'm guessing that Nestrasil was given on a role on that Carolina team that he'd never get on a playoff team.

 

[Frk It]

Ferraro could easily have a Patrick Eaves outlier year.

He has scored goals at a solid clip in the AHL a couple times. Has a heavy and high wrist shot along with wheels that get him chances.

You put him in a role with ice time and tell him to score and he probably could. Your team would be bad, but that isn't to say he doesn't have the talent to do it. Luckily we are going to use him in a depth role and I think that is where he is best suited at the NHL level. But he has more talent than Nestrasil, even though I did say all of last summer I could see Nestrasil beating them out because of his wall play. Still Ferraro's skills are very under-appreciated around here in my opinion. He does somethings pretty well, putting the puck in the net is one of them, skating and pk work are the others.

I don't see his offensive skills translating at the next level in any meaningful way though. Maybe it makes him a 10-goal scorer on the 4th line, but that's about it.

I've seen his wrister, it is pretty good. I just don't think the rest of his game is good enough to put him in a position to be a scorer at the next level. I could see him being good on odd-man rushes and short-handed opportunities. But not much outside of that.

I'm guessing that Nestrasil was given on a role on that Carolina team that he'd never get on a playoff team.

I'm guessing Ferraro never gets that same opportunity.

 

[DanZ]

I'm guessing Ferraro never gets that same opportunity.

Not on the Wings, he won't. Just like Nestrasil. Offense isn't all there is to being an NHL player by the way.

 

[PelagicJoe]

Too bad we can't just take back the Joker contract. Why did we sign him again?

 

[SirloinUB]

Too bad we can't just take back the Joker contract. Why did we sign him again?

That contract is not an issue. The entire value of it can be buried in the AHL if it comes to it. Literally, no one, should be concerned about his contract right now. as a 13th forward, its perfect. Big body who is defensively responsible and doesnt count against the cap when waived? Again, its perfect.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

it will likely be quincey if anyone is traded

a ferraro or callahan would be waived and almost 100% be claimed(complete waste of asset mgmt)

kindl at best would bring back a cond. 7th rd pick(condition being the draft is reduced to 6 rounds)

miller wont be traded

 

[Run the Jewels]

kindl at best would bring back a cond. 7th rd pick(condition being the draft is reduced to 6 rounds)

This is true, however it sure sounds like Holland and Blashill MOD so I doubt he gets traded.

 

[Henkka]

Now when Pulkkinen signed cheaper than I expected, we have a chance to be under the cap if Jurco signs under 861k or less.

Then (if he signs for example 860k) we would have 24-man roster and 924k over the cap. Sending a bigger contract than 925k (like Kindl) on waivers, we are just 1k under the cap with needed 23-man roster.

And I really think 1-year deal for Jurco should be very near of those figures. If it's a 2-year deal, no chance to get under the cap, but it would benefit season after that..

 

[Henkka]

Update:

1. Datsyuk - 7.500M
2. Zetterberg - 6.083M
3. Nyquist - 4.750M (estimated ~4.5M)
4. Franzen - 3.955M
5. Richards - 3.000M (+1M playoff bonus, won't affect this year's numbers)
6. Tatar - 2.750M
7. Helm - 2.128M
8. Abdelkader - 1.800M
9. Miller - 1.350M
10. Sheahan - 950k
11. Jurco RFA (estimated ~950k)
12. Andersson - 815k (estimated ~850k)
13. Pulkkinen 735k (estimated ~800k)
14. Glendening - 628k
15. Ferraro - 600k (estimated ~700k)

1. Green - 6.000M
2. Kronwall - 4.750M
3. Ericsson - 4.250M
4. Quincey - 4.250M
5. Smith - 2.750M
6. Kindl - 2.400M
7. DeKeyser - 2.188M

1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Mrazek - 738k

Other costs:
2014-15 Bonus overage - 740k
Weiss buyout - 1.067M

Current figures Total without estimations: 71.464M
Salary Cap 71.400M

= Cap space -0.064M (with 14+7+2 = 23 roster, Jurco only unsigned)

 

[Henkka]

Update for our 2015-16 numbers. This has an effect for next season so I'll pop this old topic up.

1. Datsyuk - 7.500M
2. Zetterberg - 6.083M
3. Nyquist - 4.750M
4. Richards - 3.000M (+1.0M playoff bonus, won't affect this year's numbers)
Brad Richards bonus structure: $250,000 if Det wins 1st round, additional $750,000 if win second round.
5. Larkin - 925k (+2.0M bonus if he wins Calder Trophy as Rookie of the Year)
6. Tatar - 2.750M
7. Helm - 2.128M
8. Abdelkader - 1.800M
9. Miller - 1.350M
10. Sheahan - 950k
11. Jurco - 900k
12. Andersson - 815k
13. Pulkkinen - 735k
14. Glendening - 628k
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LTIR, Franzen - 3.954M

1. Green - 6.000M
2. Kronwall - 4.750M
3. Ericsson - 4.250M
-. Quincey - 4.250M
5. DeKeyser - 2.188M
6. Marchenko - 667k
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7. Smith - 2.750M
8. Kindl - 2.400M

1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Mrazek - 738k

Other costs:
2014-15 Bonus overage - 740k
Weiss buyout - 1.067M

Current figures Total (all guys despite of Franzen healthy): 73.356M
Salary Cap 71.400M

= Cap space -1.956M (with 14+8+2 roster = 24)
Cap space through Franzen LTIR = 1.998M

If all guys (not Franzen) become healthy, we have 24 players and then one has to go down. This is not likely. Almost always there's one guy injured long-term. Like currently, we have Quincey, Pulkkinen, Miller (and Franzen).

Franzen on LTIR solves all problems. Franzen on LTIR will raise our cap limit to 75.354 and we are ~2 million under of it with 24-man roster.

If, technically, we have healthy roster at some point, waiving Smith/Kindl would give us another 950k of cap room. Sending Marchenko down outside of waivers, would give only 667k cap room. So it should be smarter to waive a bigger contract to get more room?

On that case, (all healthy, but not Franzen) like waiving Kindl, would put our LTIR cap space to almost 3 million.

That's the space we need if Richards will get his maximum bonus (1M) and if Larkin will get that 2M bonus. Then basicly nothing transfers to next season's cap from this season. It's the whole point for everything.

So, once again, Ken Holland couldn't build these cap mathematics any better. Always the right numbers there.

We could use that 3M space for deadline player if we wan't. That could hurt at next year, if Smith/Kindl or another bigger contract isn't going out at same time. But still, we are in very good cap positions.

Mostly thanks to Mule and the LTIR loophole.

 

[Henkka]

Season 2016-17 estimation.

There was an estimaton after BOG meeting that next year's cap could be anything between 71.4M to 74.5M. Could rise 3M or not rise at all.

I'll take a worst-case-scenario, where it doesn't rise at all. 100k more, like it did from 2009 to 2010.

So with 71.5M cap we go:

Larkin - Zeta - Abdelkader
Athanasiou - Dats - Pulkkinen
Tatar - Sheahan - Nyquist
Miller - Glendening - Jurco
(Andersson, Callahan)
Mantha

Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Ericsson
Ouellet - Marchenko
(Kindl, Smith)

Howard/Mrazek

1. Datsyuk - 7.500M
2. Zetterberg - 6.083M
3. Nyquist - 4.750M
4. Abdelkader 4.250M
Brad Richards - let walk as UFA
5. Tatar - 2.750M
6. Pulkkinen - 2.700M RFA extension (will put "tatar" numbers on the table and will get a "tatar" contract)
Darren Helm - let walk as UFA
7. Sheahan - 1.9M RFA extension (comparable, last Abdelkader contract)
8. Miller - 1.0M UFA extension (just typical Ken Holland thing is to extend Michigan-native veteran, when everybody is sure it's not gonna happen and will want that spot given to prospect )
9. Larkin - 925k - ELC
10. Jurco - 900k
11. Andersson - 850k UFA extension (another UFA extension everybody wants to walk, but Kenny will extend this trusted team/coache's player, because we need those bench warmers )
12. Glendening - 628k
13. Athanasiou - 628k - ELC
14. Callahan - 600k - RFA extension
--------------------

LTIR, Franzen - 3.954M

1. Green - 6.000M
2. Kronwall - 4.750M
3. DeKeyser - 4.500M RFA extension (Danny-D's contract will drop on this ballpark, comparable, David Savard 4.25M, Columbus)
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
Kyle Quincey, let walk as UFA
5. Marchenko - 1.500M RFA extension
6. Ouellet - already re-signed for 715k
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7. Smith - 2.750M
8. Kindl - 2.400M

1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Mrazek - 2.250M RFA extension (Robin Lehner comparable contract)

Other costs:
Bonus overage - 100k from season 2015-16
Weiss buyout - 1.067M

Current figures Total: 74.993M
Salary Cap: 71.500M + Franzen 3.954 LTIR = 75.454
Cap space through Franzen LTIR: 462k


There's a 24-man roster and those Smith & Kindl still hanging on the roster. If either of them could be dumped as a trade, we could extend Darren Helm for ~3.0M instead of Andersson. Or we could go after another veteran forward with 1-year bonus-styled deal we did with Richards.

This was the worst case scenario. If cap will rise for +3 million to 74.5M, then we have more cash to be burned.

Load Smith and Kindl away and go after Eric Staal or Stamkos?