Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building: The Calm Before the Storm?

[KIRK]

So.. Duchene to Colorado?

I don't think so, but I remarked to @pixiesfanyo earlier that it's ironic that Duchene addresses their biggest need (2C).

 

[KIRK]

JJ has tremendous value to anyone wanting to tank for a few years. *Caugh* here's looking at you Ottawa.

As long as they don't trade the 1st away and the ping pong balls oblige.

 

[KIRK]

A lot of folks around here seem to think we aren't but our forward group is so deep I can't see us missing the playoffs without big injuries.

And from there it's not much of a stretch to say we're a Cup contender given how this year's playoffs went and how that seemed to indicate it was anyone's Cup for the taking.

Mind you my opinion could change if we trade Kessel for crap or do something insane like move Malkin or Letang.

I think we're a bubble playoff team right now, how likely, to borrow your point, depending upon the extent of injuries.

And, even with this 'deep' forward group, the defense's lack of consistency, outside of Letang, driving offense is a killer (yes, Schultz, I know, but Jack Johnson neutralizes him, along with Malkin, who Sullivan so generously sticks behind him more regularly than anyone else).

 

[DesertedPenguin]

As if there was any doubt, this will make it even harder for ownership to move on from Rutherford for a bit.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Which is why we need Johnson for cheaper -- via CBA loop hole.

Pens send Johnson (and maybe extras) to Team A
Team A sends Johnson (with perhaps salary retained) to Team B
Team B sends Johnson (with perhaps salary retained) back to the Pens -- Pens maybe send extras to this team

Pens now have a cheaper Johnson via trades. Loophole.

Johnson via two teams trading him, back at 50% = saves $1.625M
Kessel for Zucker = saves $1.300M
(this should cover Pettersson's new contract)

Guentzel-Crosby-Kahun
Zucker-Malkin-Hornqvist
McCann-Bjugstad-Rust
Simon-Blueger-ZAR
Wilson (I'm assuming)

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
Riikola-Gudbranson
Ruhwedel
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Johnson

Murray-Murray (j/k, DeSmith)

 

[molon labe]

I think we're a bubble playoff team right now, how likely, to borrow your point, depending upon the extent of injuries.

And, even with this 'deep' forward group, the defense's lack of consistency, outside of Letang, driving offense is a killer (yes, Schultz, I know, but Jack Johnson neutralizes him, along with Malkin, who Sullivan so generously sticks behind him more regularly than anyone else).

If FLA lands Panarin/Bob - that pushes the Atlantic to host at least one of the wild cards this coming season imo. Toronto/Boston/Tampa/FLA are good bets for the playoffs - with the first 3 virtual locks.

This is the first year in a while where I tend to disagree that our forward group alone is guaranteeing us anything. It took us 81 games last year - it may very well take 82 this season WITHOUT JJ. The East is just looking to be too stacked to chance anything on sheltered D-men, one-line forwards, or going out to lunch for 15 game stretches. The Rangers and Devils are already improved from last year and it doesn't appear that the NYI/Carolina/Philly are going to stay put either.

 

[Shady Machine]

Johnson likely has too much term left on his contract to make a buyout reasonable.

Oh I know I was just speaking in general not related to JJ.

 

[KIRK]

Won't any other team besides us be on the hook for $8M if they acquire Kessel? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the $1.2M retained by the Leafs doesn't transfer to any other team.

No, it transfers. Whoever acquires Kessel is only on the hook for the Pens part.

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Cut down on the juice, will ya?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd honestly prefer Archibald over Aston-Reese.

Why are you comparing them? There's a spot for both if you trade Rust to get cap compliant.

And anyway, I'm not surprised that this board heavily upvotes a post saying that they'd prefer the fast player over the physical player. That's like asking a kid if they like pizza or vegetables more

 

[KIRK]

Johnson via two teams trading him, back at 50% = saves $1.625M
Kessel for Zucker = saves $1.300M
(this should cover Pettersson's new contract)

Guentzel-Crosby-Kahun
Zucker-Malkin-Hornqvist
McCann-Bjugstad-Rust
Simon-Blueger-ZAR
Wilson (I'm assuming)

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
Riikola-Gudbranson
Ruhwedel
----------
Johnson

Murray-Murray (j/k, DeSmith)

I'd bury Johnson in the minors and recall him ONLY in the hope someone claims him for half his salary

 

[Andy99]

As if there was any doubt, this will make it even harder for ownership to move on from Rutherford for a bit.

He’ll only earn it if he gets rid of JJ before Oct 3...otherwise the hall of fame committee should revoke it...

 

[Empoleon8771]

Wait, active managers/coaches get inducted into the hall of fame? I find it weird that players have to be retired for a certain amount of time (unless you're an amazing player), but GMs and coaches can get put in the HOF while still active.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'd bury Johnson in the minors and recall him ONLY in the hope someone claims him for half his salary

I somehow always forget about the Redden Route. Doing this would only have Johnson count for $550k on the NHL roster (when in the minors), I think.

 

[Pancakes]

Wait, active managers/coaches get inducted into the hall of fame? I find it weird that players have to be retired for a certain amount of time (unless you're an amazing player), but GMs and coaches can get put in the HOF while still active.

It makes sense when you consider most GMs and coaches are substantially older than the players. Probably better to induct them while they're still alive and not senile.

 

[Pancakes]

I think we're a bubble playoff team right now, how likely, to borrow your point, depending upon the extent of injuries.

And, even with this 'deep' forward group, the defense's lack of consistency, outside of Letang, driving offense is a killer (yes, Schultz, I know, but Jack Johnson neutralizes him, along with Malkin, who Sullivan so generously sticks behind him more regularly than anyone else).

Malkin is definitely the wild card. Can he rebound, and can that even be expected if he's constantly playing in front of JJ?

 

[KIRK]

Malkin is definitely the wild card. Can he rebound, and can that even be expected if he's constantly playing in front of JJ?

Malkin always has been the wildcard, for better or worse. It's something the organization has never fully appreciated, at least if you judge by how management and coaches approach him (and his usage).

 

[UnrealMachine]

It actually does. Any team that trades for Phil will get him at 6.8m.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that it didn't?

 

[KIRK]

I somehow always forget about the Redden Route. Doing this would only have Johnson count for $550k on the NHL roster (when in the minors), I think.

I don't think you can bury that much. BUT, you can bury 1.075M. I'd rather have another Riikola, a couple hundred grand extra cap space, and Johnson nowhere near this team than Johnson on the NHL club.

 

[KIRK]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that it didn't?

Oh, so we're not even talking to me non-kayfabe now.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Guess what guys. The league decided to f*** us again. We have 17 b2bs next season.

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[SherogoesHAM]

Guess what guys. The league decided to **** us again. We have 17 b2bs next season.

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I blame Jim Rutherford!

 

[Turin]

As if there was any doubt, this will make it even harder for ownership to move on from Rutherford for a bit.

Hah. Time for him to make a HOF move.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I don't think you can bury that much. BUT, you can bury 1.075M. I'd rather have another Riikola, a couple hundred grand extra cap space, and Johnson nowhere near this team than Johnson on the NHL club.

Oh, I meant Johnson at 50% retained. $1.625M - $1.075M = $550k. I thought you meant bury Johnson in the minors after he's back to the Pens at 50%.

 

[Andy99]

Guess what guys. The league decided to **** us again. We have 17 b2bs next season.

Pittsburgh Penguins Schedule

I saw that...crazy...is that the most in the league? It’s two below the 19 we had after our Cups

 

[KIRK]

Oh, I meant Johnson at 50% retained. $1.625M - $1.075M = $550k. I thought you meant bury Johnson in the minors after he's back to the Pens at 50%.

I think we're speaking the same language here, but if someone claimed Johnson off re-entry waivers, then the Pens eat 50%, which saves about 1.625M. BUT, if nobody wants him even then, I'd just leave him in the minors and save the 1.075M. Even THEN, the Pens are better off with another Riikola type and the few hundred grand then they are with Johnson on the big club.