Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building: SPEED, YOUTH, AND POSITIVITY!

[888 98 twins]

Huh?

Hopefully we trade JJ period, because Malkin is screwed again if we don't.

Yeah, that post was made with the assumption that JJ is gone at some point this summer. I just would like for it to be after all the big money has been spent by other teams in UFA.

 

[SEALBound]

Totally agree on Ferland. Lee, idk. Could see him still being effective for the next few years.

Effective, sure. Value of the effectiveness will not be there. What makes Lee so attractive as of now is the fact that he makes (made) $3.75mil. You're not getting him for that. You're getting him for $6mil+. Is that the same "value"? No absolutely not. It's why the Okposo, Ladd, Clarkson, Clutterbuck, etc contracts were instantly "yeesh".

 

[Extra Texture]

How much does Lee want? Any number revealed?

Unless we’re moving both JJ and Gud, it’s hard to see how we could afford him AND the RFAs.

And even still, id want us to stay from Lee. Mid rate UFAs, sure, if we can clear that cap, and it meant we could afford to move a forward for D help. But otherwise, without a lot of background moves, we’re still out on the Tier 1 UFAs

 

[Freeptop]

To be honest, I don't think JR is going to do something stupid on July 1st. All of his moves since November have all had the same focus: getting younger and/or faster. I think he only signs a speedy and younger UFA if he signs anyone, someone like Tanev.

I agree that JR isn't going to do anything stupid on July 1st, but that's mostly because he basically still can't. According to capfriendly, if the Pens send Trotman to the AHL, they'll have ~5.7M in cap space, but they still need to re-sign Petterson, Aston-Reese and Blueger. Those three are likely to take around 4.5M to re-sign combined (2.5M for Petterson, around 2.0M combined between ZAR and Blueger). That leaves the Pens with around 1.2M or less to sign any free agents.

To do anything truly stupid on July 1st would require another trade moving cap space out. Which, granted, could still happen...

 

[iFishyHD]

Rutherford said he wanted 3 trades and preferred them to be before July 1st. Tomorrow should be fun too.

 

[SEALBound]

Now that this trade is complete, I just want to give a shout out to JR and the FO for the reshaping of the roster (thus far). We still have one Jack Johnson to jettison but I believe it happens.

That said, a ton of young kids have been brought at both the NHL and AHL level. Look at Capfriendly and look at the number of ELCs we have in WBS. I honestly can't remember the last time we had that many ELCs. Are they high end talents, maybe not. But I believe there's a couple NHL players in there somewhere in the mold of Simon, ZAR, or hopefully Rust. Grabbing Palve and Larmi for free is nice as well. Resigning Riikola and trading Sprong for Pettersson has been big as well.

JR has done what he set out to do by getting younger and faster. Are we where we need to be yet? Likely not. Still need a couple tweaks and we need these guys we've brought in to pan out. That said, I think we are in the better position than where we were the start of 18 or 19.

I'm just starting to feel good again about the roster.

 

[Son Goku]

Now that this trade is complete, I just want to give a shout out to JR and the FO for the reshaping of the roster (thus far). We still have one Jack Johnson to jettison but I believe it happens.

That said, a ton of young kids have been brought at both the NHL and AHL level. Look at Capfriendly and look at the number of ELCs we have in WBS. I honestly can't remember the last time we had that many ELCs. Are they high end talents, maybe not. But I believe there's a couple NHL players in there somewhere in the mold of Simon, ZAR, or hopefully Rust. Grabbing Palve and Larmi for free is nice as well. Resigning Riikola and trading Sprong for Pettersson has been big as well.

JR has done what he set out to do by getting younger and faster. Are we where we need to be yet? Likely not. Still need a couple tweaks and we need these guys we've brought in to pan out. That said, I think we are in the better position than where we were the start of 18 or 19.

I'm just starting to feel good again about the roster.

Lots of young blood. Hungry players.

 

[Gurglesons]

Now that this trade is complete, I just want to give a shout out to JR and the FO for the reshaping of the roster (thus far). We still have one Jack Johnson to jettison but I believe it happens.

That said, a ton of young kids have been brought at both the NHL and AHL level. Look at Capfriendly and look at the number of ELCs we have in WBS. I honestly can't remember the last time we had that many ELCs. Are they high end talents, maybe not. But I believe there's a couple NHL players in there somewhere in the mold of Simon, ZAR, or hopefully Rust. Grabbing Palve and Larmi for free is nice as well. Resigning Riikola and trading Sprong for Pettersson has been big as well.

JR has done what he set out to do by getting younger and faster. Are we where we need to be yet? Likely not. Still need a couple tweaks and we need these guys we've brought in to pan out. That said, I think we are in the better position than where we were the start of 18 or 19.

I'm just starting to feel good again about the roster.

I don’t see the D problems being solved this off season.

Next off season sure, but we will be in cap hell. That is why it was absolutely crucial for us to move Kessel now.

 

[iFishyHD]

One more top 6 forward and JJ gone and adding a cheap UFA D would be perfect. Honestly after keeping our first this year and getting POJ and a bunch of young players, if I was Rutherford I wouldn't hesitate using the 2020 or 2021 first (especially if that's what it takes to subtract JJ.) Definitely wouldn't trade both. Rutherford really has gotten a lot younger this summer as a team as well. Hope it shows on the ice.

 

[iFishyHD]

I don’t see the D problems being solved this off season.

Next off season sure, but we will be in cap hell. That is why it was absolutely crucial for us to move Kessel now.

10.4M off the books between Galchenyuk and Schultz, and Gudbranson will be easy to move on a one year deal for a pick (even if you have to retain 1M or so.) Kahun and Simon will probably bridge for around 2M, McCann probably around 3.5. Murray gets around 6-7M? Tough to project now, but I think we'll be alright. Never know who will get packaged for a deadline deal now, feels like we actually have youth for once.

 

[The Greatest 101]

If Murray wants 6~7, he certainly needs to prove he’s worth it in the upcoming season.

We get younger by downgrading skill level. Hope it works.

 

[Lustaf]

So who else does JR need to unload so he can make a real run at Duchene? We all know the dude never gives up on getting who he wants.

Probably going to offer $11million and dump Letang to accomplish it. :p

 

[davemess]

Cap wise the trade puts us into a more secure spot, it allows us to not be forced to give somebody away just for the cap space.

Also potentially gives us the option to give longer term to Pettersson if we want to try and tie him down to a 3-4 year deal (depending on what that would cost).

Or gives us the option of looking for a veteran depth C to have as the 13th forward.


Still some things outstanding we would like to get done (Move JJ, figure out the Jarry/DeSmith situation) but it takes the pressure off to get something done right away.

 

[mpp9]

If the Pens want to maximize Galchenyuk, PH should be coming off the 1st unit. His shot's too good not to utilize with the wealth of playmaking talent available to him for the first time in his career.

I'd try Jake at net front with Sid down low. Have Schultz or Letang be a shot threat from the top to left circle. And have 71 and Gally rotate firing bombs.

I think Sullivan might be so thrilled someone on our PP is able and willing to fire one timers, he might give him an extended look there.

 

[mpp9]

Pens are pretty flush with 2nd/3rd line wingers. I'd be surprised if JR didn't try and include one of them and unload JJ tomorrow. Opens up a spot for Tanev if that rumor is to be believed. And gives us a different look in our bottom six.

 

[davemess]

Guessing if the season started tomorrow the lines would be something like this?

Jake - Sid - Kahun/Simon
Galch - Geno - Rust
McCann - Bjug - Hornqvist
ZAR - Bleuger - Kahun/Simon

 

[Ugene Magic]

Rutherford said he wanted 3 trades and preferred them to be before July 1st. Tomorrow should be fun too.

I'm not dead yet....

 

[audioslaved]

Is there talk about the Penguins being interested in Tanev? The forward? I would really like the Penguins to add another right shooting forward. Tanev is not. Go after Hartman! Probably too expensive though.

 

[KIRK]

Rutherford said he wanted 3 trades and preferred them to be before July 1st. Tomorrow should be fun too.

Especially if it's Jack Johnson going.

 

[KIRK]

Guessing if the season started tomorrow the lines would be something like this?

Jake - Sid - Kahun/Simon
Galch - Geno - Rust
McCann - Bjug - Hornqvist
ZAR - Bleuger - Kahun/Simon

Probably the best option. Could even be really good with a further fixing of the D.

 

[The Greatest 101]

Probably the best option. Could even be really good with a further fixing of the D.

Out of curiosity, which line do you prefer,

Jokinen-Malkin-Neal or Galchy-Malkin-Rust?

 

[SEALBound]

Out of curiosity, which line do you prefer,

Jokinen-Malkin-Neal or Galchy-Malkin-Rust?

Pretty sure Jokinen (the original JJ) gave KIRK PTSD, so I imagine the latter.

 

[JackFr]

I don't have much interest in Tanev at all.

 

[wej20]

Cap wise the trade puts us into a more secure spot, it allows us to not be forced to give somebody away just for the cap space.

Also potentially gives us the option to give longer term to Pettersson if we want to try and tie him down to a 3-4 year deal (depending on what that would cost).

Or gives us the option of looking for a veteran depth C to have as the 13th forward.


Still some things outstanding we would like to get done (Move JJ, figure out the Jarry/DeSmith situation) but it takes the pressure off to get something done right away.

I'd definitely tie Pettersson down for 3 years. If we did 4 years would he still be an RFA at the end?

 

[Shrimper]

We don't have a F or D spot to sign anyone unless we make more trades. I don't see that happening and reckon we'll just sign a depth guy.