Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building | Cat On a Tin Roof, Dogs In a Pile

[DegenX]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling	$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed	74,104,591​
Projected LTIR Used	1,225​
Approximate cap space	$896,634​

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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Evgeni Malkin	C​	31​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby	C​	30​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​
Phil Kessel	RW​	29​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist	RW​	30​	4,250,000​	UFA​
Carl Hagelin	LW​	29​	4,000,000​	4,000,000​	UFA​
Conor Sheary	LW​	25​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan	C​	25​	2,075,000​	RFA​
Ryan Reaves	RW​	30​	1,125,000​	UFA​
Jake Guentzel	LW​	22​	734,167​	734,167​	RFA​
Dominik Simon	C/RW​	23​	692,500​	RFA​
Bryan Rust	RW​	25​	640,000​	RFA​
Tom Kuhnhackl	LW​	25​	625,000​	RFA​
Carter Rowney	C​	28​	612,500​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Kris Letang	D​	30​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​
Justin Schultz	D​	27​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin	D​	26​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​
Olli Maatta	D​	23​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick	D​	32​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​
Ian Cole	D​	28​	2,100,000​	UFA​
Jamie Oleksiak	D​	25​	964,688​	RFA​
Chad Ruhwedel	D​	27​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Matt Murray	G​	23​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry	G​	22​	630,833​	RFA​

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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Zach Aston-Reese	LW​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Adam Johnson	C​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Thomas Di Pauli	C​	23​	742,500​	RFA​
Freddie Tiffels	LW​	22​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Sam Miletic	LW​	20​	710,000​	710,000​	710,000​
Teddy Blueger	C​	23​	705,000​	RFA​
Daniel Sprong	RW​	20​	692,500​	RFA​
Jean-Sebastien Dea	C​	23​	650,000​	RFA​
Garrett Wilson	LW​	24​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Sestito	LW​	29​	650,000​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Andrey Pedan	D​	24​	750,000​	RFA​
Jeff Taylor	D​	23​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Ethan Prow	D​	24​	730,000​	RFA​
Lukas Bengtsson	D​	24​	705,000​	RFA​
Frank Corrado	D​	24​	650,000​	RFA​
Jarred Tinordi	D​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Zach Trotman	D​	27​	650,000​	UFA​
Kevin Czuczman	D​	26​	650,000​	UFA​
Chris Summers	D​	29​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Sean Maguire	G​	25​	705,000​	RFA​
Casey DeSmith	G​	25​	675,000​	675,000​	UFA​

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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​	Contract​
Filip Gustavsson	G​	19​	Lulea HF (SHL)​	3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio	G​	18​	Saint John (QMJHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive	C​	18​	Lethbridge (WHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​

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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​
Niclas Almari	D​	19​	HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello	F​	21​	Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks	D​	21​	Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist	F​	19​	Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg	F​	18​	Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall	D​	19​	Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones	D​	21​	Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty	F​	22​	Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon	D​	18​	Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius	D​	20​	Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund	F​	20​	Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi	D​	18​	Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev	F​	20​	Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips	D​	17​	Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly	D​	19​	RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher	C​	24​	HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[KIRK]

A question:

Let's say you acquire a 3C and your intent is to play him with Phil.

Let's say you like Sprong with Sid.

What do you do with Hornqvist?

Are you better off playing him with Geno OR moving him and a defenseman to get your 3C and a winger better suited for Geno?

 

[Nakawick]

A question:

Let's say you acquire a 3C and your intent is to play him with Phil.

Let's say you like Sprong with Sid.

What do you do with Hornqvist?

Are you better off playing him with Geno OR moving him and a defenseman to get your 3C and a winger better suited for Geno?

Who plays RW with Geno? Where does Jake and Sheary and Simon play? I would rather move Sheary.

 

[pensfan71]

A question:

Let's say you acquire a 3C and your intent is to play him with Phil.

Let's say you like Sprong with Sid.

What do you do with Hornqvist?

Are you better off playing him with Geno OR moving him and a defenseman to get your 3C and a winger better suited for Geno?

I'd move him only if we were getting Kane on that left side with Geno. Because good lord that would be filthy

 

[pensfan71]

Who plays RW with Geno? Where does Jake and Sheary and Simon play? I would rather move Sheary.

Duclair

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Kane-G-Duclair
Guentzel-3C-Rieder
Kuhn-Sheahan-Reaves

Don't ask me how I got this, just let me live

 

[Tom Hanks]

A question:

Let's say you acquire a 3C and your intent is to play him with Phil.

Let's say you like Sprong with Sid.

What do you do with Hornqvist?

Are you better off playing him with Geno OR moving him and a defenseman to get your 3C and a winger better suited for Geno?

What are your lines? I don’t think we should be moving a guy like Hornqvist. Sprong, Sheary, Simon and Guentzel all top out at 180 pounds.

Phil with Geno is good. Hornqvist on L3 and say Sheary/Guentzel on the left is still a scoring line with a 3C.

 

[Empoleon8771]

A question:

Let's say you acquire a 3C and your intent is to play him with Phil.

Let's say you like Sprong with Sid.

What do you do with Hornqvist?

Are you better off playing him with Geno OR moving him and a defenseman to get your 3C and a winger better suited for Geno?

Use him as trade bait, because until he's re-signed, he shouldn't at all be considered untouchable. Guentzel can replace what Hornqvist does on the powerplay and you can also bring in a LWer for Malkin with a similar skillset to Hornqvist (going to use Maroon for like the millionth time, but it makes sense).

I saw that Blues fans were interested in a Sobotka for Hornqvist swap. I'd be very intrigued with that kind of deal.

 

[The Greatest 101]

I don't like Kane,but he can replace what Horny brings and a much better fit for G.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I don't like Kane,but he can replace what Horny brings and a much better fit for G.

It’s been mentioned before that he likes to carry the puck a lot. For the people who have watched him more. Will this be a bad fit? We got Perron who was great with the puck on his stick but he liked to do it himself. Not a give and go guy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Another thought about trading Hornqvist: where are you going to play everyone? Right now, the Penguins have Guentzel, Hagelin and Kuhnhackl on LW, Sprong, Kessel, Hornqvist and Reaves on RW and Sheary, Simon and Rust that can play both wings. The biggest problem I see with trading Hornqvist is that I struggle to come up with a wing group that I like, since the Penguins would have so many small skilled wingers. You'd probably have to trade both Sheary and Hornqvist to get a 3C and LW (speaking purely from a roster POV), since I don't think you can do less than that. I'm struggling with coming up with the rest of the roster, that's my big concern.

If you trade Hornqvist, that makes it Crosby-Sprong, Malkin-Rust and 3C-Kessel as the C-RW duos. How are you going to fill out the rest of that? Is Simon an everyday player in your eyes? He's not in mine, he should be viewed similarly to Sheary in 2015 as far as I'm concerned. If you have Simon in as an everyday player with Crosby, I'm not sure you need a winger for Malkin anymore, because your 2nd line would be Guentzel-Malkin-Rust. You need a LWer for your 3C and Kessel at that point. If Simon isn't an everyday player, you either need to keep Sheary (so probably Sheary-Crosby-Sprong) and you only need a LWer for your 3rd line, or you trade Sheary and you need a LWer for both Malkin and the 3rd line. But in this case, you don't need a physical LWer for Malkin, you probably need more of a skill guy.

If Sprong sticks with Crosby, I think the best bet is having Guentzel-Malkin-Rust as your 2nd line. It works well and you can still run with either Simon or Sheary with Crosby and Hornqvist. At that point, you just need to work with the 3rd line. You either need to do that or drop the idea of having Kessel and Malkin on separate lines.

Edit: Also, a follow up question. How do you feel about a Rust-Hornqvist 3rd line wing duo? I'm iffy on it because there aren't any playmakers there, but it's not like Rust and Hornqvist don't have any offensive talent. Put a playmaking center with those two and I think that line would work well.

 

[The Greatest 101]

It’s been mentioned before that he likes to carry the puck a lot. For the people who have watched him more. Will this be a bad fit? We got Perron who was great with the puck on his stick but he liked to do it himself. Not a give and go guy.

The problem with Perron IIRC was that he was slow and couldn't finish. I think G can make it work if we give him Kane.

 

[KIRK]

Empo, I think the approach is to find a winger who will bring out the best in Geno.

With Phil, it's two elite players who unfortunately play disparate styles and are not a natural fit together. Hagelin and Horny and Sheary . . . forget it. Jake is okay, but not with a RW we have. Rust probably is the closest, but a Jake-Geno-Rust line isn't designed to bring out the best in Geno.

Nah, you get that guy and then you worry about who goes on the other side instead of trying to fit what ultimately is a square peg first.

 

[Tom Hanks]

XXXX-Crosby-Sprong
XXXX-Malkin-Kessel
Guentzel-XXXX-Hornqvist
Kuhnhackl-Sheahan-Reaves
Rowney

Maatta/Dumo-Letang
Oleksiak-Schultz
Hunwick-Ruhwedel
Get something cheap at the deadline (plus we have Corrado)

Murray
Jarry

Trade bait - Sheary, Rust, 1st, Cole, Dumo/Maatta

 

[Malkinstheman]

Kirk do you expect the market to open up anytime soon? Seems like it will take a while to find a willing GM.

 

[cygnus47]

Another thought about trading Hornqvist: where are you going to play everyone? Right now, the Penguins have Guentzel, Hagelin and Kuhnhackl on LW, Sprong, Kessel, Hornqvist and Reaves on RW and Sheary, Simon and Rust that can play both wings. The biggest problem I see with trading Hornqvist is that I struggle to come up with a wing group that I like, since the Penguins would have so many small skilled wingers. You'd probably have to trade both Sheary and Hornqvist to get a 3C and LW (speaking purely from a roster POV), since I don't think you can do less than that. I'm struggling with coming up with the rest of the roster, that's my big concern.

If you trade Hornqvist, that makes it Crosby-Sprong, Malkin-Rust and 3C-Kessel as the C-RW duos. How are you going to fill out the rest of that? Is Simon an everyday player in your eyes? He's not in mine, he should be viewed similarly to Sheary in 2015 as far as I'm concerned. If you have Simon in as an everyday player with Crosby, I'm not sure you need a winger for Malkin anymore, because your 2nd line would be Guentzel-Malkin-Rust. You need a LWer for your 3C and Kessel at that point. If Simon isn't an everyday player, you either need to keep Sheary (so probably Sheary-Crosby-Sprong) and you only need a LWer for your 3rd line, or you trade Sheary and you need a LWer for both Malkin and the 3rd line. But in this case, you don't need a physical LWer for Malkin, you probably need more of a skill guy.

If Sprong sticks with Crosby, I think the best bet is having Guentzel-Malkin-Rust as your 2nd line. It works well and you can still run with either Simon or Sheary with Crosby and Hornqvist. At that point, you just need to work with the 3rd line. You either need to do that or drop the idea of having Kessel and Malkin on separate lines.

Edit: Also, a follow up question. How do you feel about a Rust-Hornqvist 3rd line wing duo? I'm iffy on it because there aren't any playmakers there, but it's not like Rust and Hornqvist don't have any offensive talent. Put a playmaking center with those two and I think that line would work well.

I think we just let Horny walk at the end of the year unless we're out of the playoffs. He's valuable to our team as it is at the moment but I don't see a useful spot for him next season.

If we go the 3 scoring line thing, maybe Rust-Horny isn't the best, but if we're doing the line matchup thing to get Sid and Geno favourable matchups like 16-17, Rust-3C-Horny will dominate along the boards and they have the motor to take the tough zone starts against top lines.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Empo, I think the approach is to find a winger who will bring out the best in Geno.

With Phil, it's two elite players who unfortunately play disparate styles and are not a natural fit together. Hagelin and Horny and Sheary . . . forget it. Jake is okay, but not with a RW we have. Rust probably is the closest, but a Jake-Geno-Rust line isn't designed to bring out the best in Geno.

Nah, you get that guy and then you worry about who goes on the other side instead of trying to fit what ultimately is a square peg first.

The problem is that it sounds like what you want for Malkin isn't something the Penguins can do during the season. I have my doubts that they'd even move 2 roster players, in order to bring in just 1 winger for Malkin, you're probably looking at 3 roster players out, with Sheary, Hornqvist and probably Rust out. That also doesn't touch on Hagelin, either.

If you plan on having Simon as a depth forward, maybe even a 4th liner, I think that is less problematic. I just think that there are too many wingers on this team to try and add another, especially when Malkin and Kessel aren't together. It's just a numbers game at that point, and it becomes even more difficult because I imagine GMs aren't too excited to trade with Rutherford. Let's say you're only looking for a LWer for Malkin and Simon is just a depth player. You have:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sprong
Trade-Malkin-Rust
Hagelin-Trade-Kessel
4th line

You have to move Sheary and Hornqvist in this situation, and you still probably need to upgrade on your 3rd line LW. I guess it is possible to do, but I feel like splitting up Kessel and Malkin while bringing in other wingers for Malkin isn't feasible right now.

 

[KIRK]

The problem with Perron IIRC was that he was slow and couldn't finish. I think G can make it work if we give him Kane.

Ultimately, what Geno needs is a player to help with the heavy lifting. Carrying the puck. Corners. Going to the net. But, the guy needs to be aware and see the game at least somewhat similarly to Geno. Doesn't have to be as physical as Horny or as skilled as Phil. But, he's not a guy we have in the organization right now . . . at least not with Sprong spoken for now.

 

[KIRK]

The problem is that it sounds like what you want for Malkin isn't something the Penguins can do during the season. I have my doubts that they'd even move 2 roster players, in order to bring in just 1 winger for Malkin, you're probably looking at 3 roster players out, with Sheary, Hornqvist and probably Rust out. That also doesn't touch on Hagelin, either.

If you plan on having Simon as a depth forward, maybe even a 4th liner, I think that is less problematic. I just think that there are too many wingers on this team to try and add another, especially when Malkin and Kessel aren't together. It's just a numbers game at that point, and it becomes even more difficult because I imagine GMs aren't too excited to trade with Rutherford. Let's say you're only looking for a LWer for Malkin and Simon is just a depth player. You have:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sprong
Trade-Malkin-Rust
Hagelin-Trade-Kessel
4th line

You have to move Sheary and Hornqvist in this situation, and you still probably need to upgrade on your 3rd line LW. I guess it is possible to do, but I feel like splitting up Kessel and Malkin while bringing in other wingers for Malkin isn't feasible right now.

The Pens can do it IF they want . . . I think you just ended up there. And, I have been saying for some time the issue with the wingers isn't the talent, it's the mix.

And, yes, I know . . . the mix worked last year, but this year, it's about the interaction of the mix and the mental fatigue.

 

[Ryder71]

XXXX-Crosby-Sprong
XXXX-Malkin-Kessel
Guentzel-XXXX-Hornqvist
Kuhnhackl-Sheahan-Reaves
Rowney

Maatta/Dumo-Letang
Oleksiak-Schultz
Hunwick-Ruhwedel
Get something cheap at the deadline (plus we have Corrado)

Murray
Jarry

Trade bait - Sheary, Rust, 1st, Cole, Dumo/Maatta

I sincerely hope we don't trade our first.

 

[The Greatest 101]

I still want a whole new fourth line.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Landeskog, Wilson

for

Maatta, Sheary, 1st, Hagelin

Does that interest Sakic?

Solves Sid and Geno’s LW’ers. Leaves us Rust, Cole, 2nd to get another centre.

 

[pensfan71]

It might be me but I REALLY don't want to trade Maatta...he's been our best D-man I'd say

 

[BlackAndGold87]

Wonder if Arizona would trade Rieder for Rust?

(I don't like the talk of not having Hornqvist)

 

[PensandCaps]

Yah...trading Rust is a BIG NO.

Great sold all around player who can play anywhere. You win cups with guys like that. And I think he and Malkin fit OK. If he is his RW. NOT his LW.

 

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Duclair, Reider, Pageau.