Rumor: Sabres trying to trade Ristolainen - Part II

[EastonBlues22]

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[AvatarAang]

hi

 

[Mattilaus]

When the team is also "trying" to trade the player. He's worth a lot more to Buffalo than he would be elsewhere. It's gonna be hard to find him a new home in that case. It's like you're saying, "We want to trade him, but we're going to ask for way more than he's worth to you, because he's worth that much to us," without realizing other teams are going to respond, "Well, okay, then keep him."

I disagree and quite frankly i don't think your stance makes much sense in this situation. Risto has term left so he can't leave for nothing, a good enough contract, no rumors of lockeroom problems or trade requests, and Bogo and Pulit are injured to start the year so there will be room. If people don't want to meet your price you just keep him and see what is available next trade deadline or next summer. Hell with how much you guys are talking about how badly he sucks its clear his trade value can't get lower than it already is so there is zero risk in keeping him if all you are offering is your 3c from your AHL team. This is just common sense. Why give away an asset for essentially nothing of any value whatsoever? It makes zero sense in the context of this player.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Summary: People who use graphs to watch hockey know Risto is the worst.

GMs don’t use graphs.

Therefore, best 2c for this player you all know isn’t worth a 2c.

Discuss....

 

[Ementy]

hes -41 now there is a rumor the oilers will give Nuge for him a strong 2 way center who put up 28 goals and 41 assists for a -41 5 goal 38 assists so called defenseman. God the oilers would be dumb to do this.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Guys like Ehlers, Cirelli or Mantha are NOT getting you a top pair D man of similar age. Asking for one of them is not asking for top pairing return. When did people start believing that young top pairing D men are only worth a 2C or a 2nd line winger?

If you think the price is too high that is fine but that's not 24 year old top pairing D prices.

Ehlers shouldn't be in the conversation with the other two, this is a guy that's had back to back 60 point seasons at 21 and 22. The only reason he's being brought up is because he had a down year due to some injuries and now everybody wants to buy low on him. He is 100% a 1st liner, at 23 years old, locked into a long term deal.

You want to get a Sam Reinhart in return but you're only offering up a guy that had only 1 more ES point than Cody Ceci.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

hes -41 now there is a rumor the oilers will give Nuge for him a strong 2 way center who put up 28 goals and 41 assists for a -43 5 goal 38 assists so called defenseman. God the oilers would be dumb to do this.

And where did you hear that rumour?

 

[DFC]

I disagree and quite frankly i don't think your stance makes much sense in this situation. Risto has term left so he can't leave for nothing, a good enough contract, no rumors of lockeroom problems or trade requests, and Bogo and Pulit are injured to start the year so there will be room. If people don't want to meet your price you just keep him and see what is available next trade deadline or next summer. Hell with how much you guys are talking about how badly he sucks its clear his trade value can't get lower than it already is so there is zero risk in keeping him if all you are offering is your 3c from your AHL team. This is just common sense. Why give away an asset for essentially nothing of any value whatsoever? It makes zero sense in the context of this player.

You're talking about 25 goal-scorers, not AHL players.

The, "We want to trade him, but you're going to have to pay a lot for him or we'll keep him," is a weird stance. I don't think Ristolainen sucks, but nobody's going to give up that kind of player for him. Maybe a team who's desperate for PP help. But the post I responded to, originally, listed a lot of guys on teams who clearly wouldn't have interest in Ristolainen at that kind of price.

It just seems like, if he's that valuable to Buffalo, that they can't trade him unless a 25 goal guy is coming back, then shouldn't they just keep him? Because it's gonna take an aneurysm for a GM to give up that player in this deal.

He's a top pair D on only the worst teams in the league.

 

[Ementy]

And where did you hear that rumour?

its not exactly credible...Eklund, so I do not put much creedance into it, just the thought of it is stupid though.

Monster trade brewing between Sabres and Oilers!!??

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

its not exactly credible...Eklund, so I do not put much creedance into it, just the thought of it is stupid though.

Monster trade brewing between Sabres and Oilers!!??

Yeah, not surprised it's Eklund. No chance the Oilers would make that move.

 

[Shootica]

It just seems like, if he's that valuable to Buffalo, that they can't trade him unless a 25 goal guy is coming back, then shouldn't they just keep him? Because it's gonna take an aneurysm for a GM to give up that player in this deal.

Well yeah, if they don't get offered what they are looking for, or at least something close, then they should just keep him.

But due to the moves and acquisitions Buffalo has made this off-season, RD is a position of strength for them. And Risto is their most valuable RD. So why wouldn't they test the market to see if they can deal him for someone in a position that they're weaker in?

 

[agent082]

its not exactly credible...Eklund, so I do not put much creedance into it, just the thought of it is stupid though.

Monster trade brewing between Sabres and Oilers!!??

Well it sure sounded like Eklund.

 

[Sabrehack]

The more I look at other team rosters, I don't see any ideal trading partner to make a deal for Risto. Cap troubled teams really can't take the added cap, so this would have to be a hockey deal. If sabres are only going to be happy with a 2C, I don't see any moves that would make sense. Honestly only see Couturier as the perfect fit, but sabres would have to add, and I still think Philly would be foolish to move him. Kadri would have made some sense but can't see Avalanche moving him after just getting him. Trochek is my 1st choice but once again, no way Florida would do it. I'm convinced Buffalo will stay with Casey as #2C but with both Reinhart and Mojo on his wings to give him all the support they can.

 

[bsu]

Anaheim please.

 

[DFC]

Well yeah, if they don't get offered what they are looking for, or at least something close, then they should just keep him.

But due to the moves and acquisitions Buffalo has made this off-season, RD is a position of strength for them. And Risto is their most valuable RD. So why wouldn't they test the market to see if they can deal him for someone in a position that they're weaker in?

Sure. But they're asking for an over-payment on a player they're trying to trade. This isn't "Teams are asking Buffalo about Ristolainen but Buffalo is asking for an over-payment." This is, "Buffalo is trying to trade Ristolainen for an over-payment."

It would be like, "Tampa Bay is trying to trade JT Miller but will only accept a top-10 pick in return."

 

[SabresFan26]

Ristolainen + Larsson for Nugent-Hopkins

Edmonton gets a 2-way center who can play a bottom 9 role in addition to a top 4 RHD on a good deal. Buffalo gets a top 6 C who can play behind Eichel and help ease Mittelstadt along.

 

[These Are The Days]

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Here's Buffalo's problem

1. They need to find a team that will use Risto as a PP specialist in order to maximize his potential
2. That same team needs to have a 2C they will give the Sabres
3. Salaries need to work
4. Most teams are gonna be maxed out on cap space in a couple of weeks
5. Ideal team to trade with will probably not have cap

That "mammoth" offer ain't gonna happen with all these items in play

 

[Mattilaus]

It just seems like, if he's that valuable to Buffalo, that they can't trade him unless a 25 goal guy is coming back, then shouldn't they just keep him? Because it's gonna take an aneurysm for a GM to give up that player in this deal.

Yes. But for the record, I don't know where you got this arbitrary 25 goal criteria from. I said nothing about them needing to be a 25 goal scorer and i haven't seen a single other person who has either.

 

[Canadienna]

Is Danault interesting to Sabres fans? Depending on who you ask he's a 2C. He was our de facto #1C last year.

 

[These Are The Days]

Ristolainen + Larsson for Nugent-Hopkins

Edmonton gets a 2-way center who can play a bottom 9 role in addition to a top 4 RHD on a good deal. Buffalo gets a top 6 C who can play behind Eichel and help ease Mittelstadt along.

Getting rid of RNH all but guarantees that the Oilers will have to kill the golden goose of Draisaitl/McDavid without any means of ever hoping to reunite them again. Someone would have to play 2C in RNH's place and it wouldn't be Larsson. They would never... EVER do that. If anything they'd trade Nurse and either side adds accordingly but of course why would Buffalo do that?

If McDavid/Draisaitl ever do split the Oilers are gonna make sure RNH is still in their pocket if/when they have to be reunited

 

[Mattilaus]

Ehlers shouldn't be in the conversation with the other two, this is a guy that's had back to back 60 point seasons at 21 and 22. The only reason he's being brought up is because he had a down year due to some injuries and now everybody wants to buy low on him. He is 100% a 1st liner, at 23 years old, locked into a long term deal.

You want to get a Sam Reinhart in return but you're only offering up a guy that had only 1 more ES point than Cody Ceci.

I mean that's fine, but I still wouldn't trade a top pairing D of equal age for top line winger Ehlers and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone else who would either. Just like I wouldn't expect someone to offer their young top pairing D man for Sam Reinhart. D is the far more valuable position.

So unless you want to argue Ehlers is worth a top pairing D man who is the same age then none of this really has anything to do with your point that "sabres fans are asking for top pairing D return"

 

[DFC]

Yes. But for the record, I don't know where you got this arbitrary 25 goal criteria from. I said nothing about them needing to be a 25 goal scorer and i haven't seen a single other person who has either.

Ehlers, Mantha, Connor... All three of these guys were listed in the post I responded to, to which response you then responded, and here we are.

 

[Ementy]

Ristolainen + Larsson for Nugent-Hopkins

Edmonton gets a 2-way center who can play a bottom 9 role in addition to a top 4 RHD on a good deal. Buffalo gets a top 6 C who can play behind Eichel and help ease Mittelstadt along.

Larsson is not a good addition, you would need at minimum a 20goal winger with Risto with the oilers adding in a defenseman for cap reasons which I do not think you guys have. so No deal to be made. Just bad trade partners based off of needs. Really.Bringing up one of our top rated D prospects should be able to fill in for what risto is being sold as. as Bouchard and Samorukov have showed strong offensive games.

 

[Shootica]

Sure. But they're asking for an over-payment on a player they're trying to trade. This isn't "Teams are asking Buffalo about Ristolainen but Buffalo is asking for an over-payment." This is, "Buffalo is trying to trade Ristolainen for an over-payment."

It would be like, "Tampa Bay is trying to trade JT Miller but will only accept a top-10 pick in return."

I think it's hard to judge what is an over or underpayment for Risto. He's such a polarizing player that a 'fair value' is going to vary wildly depending on who you ask. I bet there's a subset of GMs that think his value is a top six forward. The million dollar question here is if there's a GM that sees him that way that also has a team need at RD and someone to offer that fits Buffalo's wants.

 

[Mattilaus]

Ehlers, Mantha, Connor... All three of these guys were listed in the post I responded to, to which response you then responded, and here we are.

So those posts specifically they said they wanted these three players specifically because they had scored 25 goals? Or was it more because these are simply the young players who generate interest on 2 of the few teams who might want/need a D man? It's been said multiple multiple times that a player who can play 2C or young LW is the desired return. I have seen nobody say they need a player who can score X goals. If you have suggestions for young players on either Detroit or Winnipeg who fit the bill otherwise then that's a discussion can be had. But simply because the three players who were listed as examples all scored 25 last year that doesn't mean "Sabres fans will only trade risto if they get a 25 goal scorer back".