Confirmed with Link: Ryan O'Reilly traded to STL for Tage Thompson, Patrik Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, 2019 1st, 2021 2nd

[Aladyyn]

I see no reason to assume that at this point. This isn't NHL 18, there's a human element to hockey that often result in trades like this. I'm interested to see how things play out next year.

Habs fans 2 years ago lol

 

[Dreakon13]

Even if... does being so overtly pessimistic in your assumptions versus mine change anything?

I'll reserve judgement until I see the roster actually play. And to see if/how much Rochester and the pipeline had improved.

 

[joshjull]

Habs fans 2 years ago lol

What if the issue is nothing like the Subban situation? What if we got a hint of it with the Tim Horton's incident?

We're not likely to ever hear the full story of why they wanted to move on

 

[Aladyyn]

Even if... does being so overtly pessimistic in your assumptions versus mine change anything?

I'll reserve judgement until I see the roster actually play. And to see if/how much Rochester and the pipeline had improved.

What was the last time a team traded one of their best players in a culture move and improved as a result?

 

[Dreakon13]

What was the last time a team traded one of their best players in a culture move and improved as a result?

I'm a more recent fan of the league and follow the Sabres closer than anyone else... so I dunno. This time?

I'll reserve judgement until I see the roster actually play. And to see if/how much Rochester and the pipeline had improved.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

What was the last time a team traded one of their best players in a culture move and improved as a result?

Colorado, Winnipeg, Toronto, Nashville

There's also not many culture' trades of a teams top player.

 

[Aladyyn]

Colorado, Winnipeg, Toronto

Colorado was playing well with Duchene, Winnipeg was bad for multiple seasons, Leafs literally ended last and the player they traded won 2 Cups.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Colorado was playing well with Duchene, Winnipeg was bad for multiple seasons, Leafs literally ended last and the player they traded won 2 Cups.

Oh so getting better as a result needs to be immediate? Hark! the sound of slowly shifting goal posts in yonder distance.

 

[Aladyyn]

I'm a more recent fan of the league and follow the Sabres closer than anyone else... so I dunno. This time?

I'll reserve judgement until I see the roster actually play. And to see if/how much Rochester and the pipeline had improved.

I can't wait until Botterill gets credit for Murray's draft picks.

 

[joshjull]

What was the last time a team traded one of their best players in a culture move and improved as a result?

How many made such of move when they were the worst team in the NHL? Its kind of a unique situation. Most of the bigger players moved for "culture" reasons were moved from successful usually playoff level teams. Where the chance for it to backfire was far greater than is the case here.

 

[Aladyyn]

Oh so getting better as a result needs to be immediate? Hark! the sound of slowly shifting goal posts in yonder distance.

If you're trying to prove the worth of culture trades then yeah, it kinda does.

 

[Dreakon13]

I can't wait until Botterill gets credit for Murray's draft picks.

In fairness, Murray had a tendency to trade away those draft picks the moment they showed any potential.

 

[Aladyyn]

In fairness, Murray had a tendency to trade away those draft picks the moment they showed any potential.

Name one.

 

[Dreakon13]

Name one.

Really? Zadorov, Armia, Compher. To name a few.

And countless picks themselves. Though I suppose that'd be before they ever had an opportunity to show any potential.

EDIT: Pysyk maybe since he was never really a NHL regular up to that point. McNabb.

EDIT 2: Oh, you probably meant name one of his own picks he's traded. I guess we'll never know, he didn't have time to.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I can't wait until Botterill gets credit for Murray's draft picks.

He should have Murray'd them away to other teams.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If you're trying to prove the worth of culture trades then yeah, it kinda does.

That's not how culture change works, but sure whatever you say.

 

[SabresFan26]

Not sure where you're getting this characterization from. One reporter said he was worth a 2nd (John Shannon). I don't recall much speculation in the national media, outside of Shannon, over what ROR is worth in a trade. Most of the talk was that he would likely be moving on from here.

Multiple people said the following statements or one or the other statement
2nd/3rd line center
worth a 2nd
worth a late 1st
Etc.

Botterill got all of the above and more.

 

[SabresFan26]

I see no reason to assume that at this point. This isn't NHL 18, there's a human element to hockey (and life) that often result in trades like this. I'm interested to see how things play out next year.

Removing Kane/Lehner alone makes our team better especially in the locker room.

 

[LetsDoughBuffalo]

Not sure where you're getting this characterization from. One reporter said he was worth a 2nd (John Shannon). I don't recall much speculation in the national media, outside of Shannon, over what ROR is worth in a trade. Most of the talk was that he would likely be moving on from here.

Not giving him any sort of credit as a credible source or opinion, but this just reminds me...

Remember P-Ham saying he'd only give up like a 2nd round pick if he were a team trading for O'Reilly?

 

[Genny Screamer]

Multiple people said the following statements or one or the other statement
2nd/3rd line center
worth a 2nd
worth a late 1st
Etc.

ROR is a good player, but a little overrated. He's a 2nd/3rd line center making $7.5M/year. According to this fantasy ranking he is ranked 166. Fantasy top 250 rankings for 2018-19

This is a projection based on playing with a better team and his usage.

He is in the Jeff Skinner/Brendan Gallagher zone. These rankings take into account goals, assists, +/-, penalty minutes, power play points and shots on goal.

There are players on this list ranked higher that I wouldn't take over ROR, but there are players on the list ranked lower that I would take over ROR.

It's interesting to note other Sabres ranks...

Eichel - 33
Dahlin - 71
Risto - 120
Reinhart - 138
Hutton - 150
Mitts - 224

 

[Aladyyn]

ROR is a good player, but a little overrated. He's a 2nd/3rd line center making $7.5M/year. According to this fantasy ranking he is ranked 166. Fantasy top 250 rankings for 2018-19

This is a projection based on playing with a better team and his usage.

He is in the Jeff Skinner/Brendan Gallagher zone. These rankings take into account goals, assists, +/-, penalty minutes, power play points and shots on goal.

There are players on this list ranked higher that I wouldn't take over ROR, but there are players on the list ranked lower that I would take over ROR.

It's interesting to note other Sabres ranks...

Eichel - 33
Dahlin - 71
Risto - 120
Reinhart - 138
Hutton - 150
Mitts - 224

ROR is a 1st line center. Using fantasy rankings to determine how good a player is is honestly really dumb, no offense.

 

[SabresFan26]

ROR is a 1st line center. Using fantasy rankings to determine how good a player is is honestly really dumb, no offense.

On most teams he's a good #2 center.

 

[Genny Screamer]

ROR is a 1st line center. Using fantasy rankings to determine how good a player is is honestly really dumb, no offense.

ROR is a 2nd line center on St Louis behind Brayden Schenn. Team Line Combinations

 

[Aladyyn]

On most teams he's a good #2 center.

Is Eichel a #2C?

 

[Aladyyn]

ROR is a 2nd line center on St Louis behind Brayden Schenn. Team Line Combinations

First of all he's better than Schenn, and also there's literally no way to know what the lines will be next season.