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Cuz it was a good trade, ROR is just so overrated around here, that Botts was never going to win on these boards .wait, Lebrun called this trade "impressive" for the Sabres? lollllll
And we are paying Berglund nothing? Wtf does that even mean.Factoring in Berglund's cap hit.... St Louis is paying O'Reilly 3.65 million per season over the next 4 years
St Louis subtracted 3.85 million over the next 4 years from their payroll in Berglund and added 7.5 million with O'Reilly which equals a net differential of 3.65 million over the next 4 years. I should have said...."Factoring in what Berglund's cap hit in St Louis would have been for the next 4 years"And we are paying Berglund nothing? Wtf does that even mean.
So? I don't think ROR is 4mil better player than Berglund.St Louis subtracted 3.85 million over the next 4 years from their payroll in Berglund and added 7.5 million with O'Reilly which equals a net differential of 3.65 million over the next 4 years. I should have said...."Factoring in what Berglund's cap hit in St Louis would have been for the next 4 years"
So? Opinions varySo? I don't think ROR is 4mil better player than Berglund.
The Blues got a great defensive forward 1c. The only thing lacking of serious note in ROR's game was points, but he still put up a decent number each season.ROR will be missed. No doubt about it.
However, the more this trade sinks in and I think of the possibilities, the more I don’t dislike it as much.
Sure it’s a lot of IF’s. but
IF Berglund comes in and is a positive vet for the room, while putting up a few seasons of 20 ish goals and 40+ points
AND
IF Thompson becomes a valuable top 6 winger for Jack or Mitts
AND
IF that 1st becomes something of value either via trade or the prospect becoming an NHL player,
we will look back at this move as a W for Botts.
It’s a lot of IF’s, But the chance is there for this to be end up a good trade. Sure the odds of all three things happening isn’t guarenteed, but there’s a chance.
None.How much value cost us the 7.5mil the Blues paid in bonus money?
Factoring in Berglund's cap hit.... St Louis is paying O'Reilly 3.65 million per season over the next 4 years
lol, what kind of thought is that? RoR is better than berglund, of course he's making more money......Factoring in Berglund's cap hit.... St Louis is paying O'Reilly 3.65 million per season over the next 4 years
lol, what kind of thought is that? RoR is better than berglund, of course he's making more money......
it's like me saying that since the sabres didn't sign JT they're actually paying eichel -1mil a year
Definitely not implying that you're doing this here, but without question, if Jack stays healthy for the first time since his rookie year and gets consistent wing play from Sam and Sheary or whatever, he'll put up his 85 point breakout season and it'll be completely independent and irrelevant of, and yet forever tied to, the lack of ROR existing in the locker room as a moody vegan, for some reason.STL traded Berglund, who was signed for 4 more years, for ROR who’s signed for 5. The money they would’ve been paying Berglund is going to ROR now. They subtracted Berglund’s long-term salary and added ROR’s.
I’ve accepted this trade at this point. Best case scenario is that removing ROR’s vet presence results in Eichel and the other youngsters stepping up.
The pieces we got look like a combination of the Hasek/Miller trade, aka completely forgettable.
we kept eichel and didn't sign tavares, so that 11 mil we were spending on tavares can be used to pay eichel and now eichel's salary is a negative number. we subracted tavares' long term salary and added eichel'sSTL traded Berglund, who was signed for 4 more years, for ROR who’s signed for 5. The money they would’ve been paying Berglund is going to ROR now. They subtracted Berglund’s long-term salary and added ROR’s.
I’ve accepted this trade at this point. Best case scenario is that removing ROR’s vet presence results in Eichel and the other youngsters stepping up.
The pieces we got look like a combination of the Hasek/Miller trade, aka completely forgettable.
we kept eichel and didn't sign tavares, so that 11 mil we were spending on tavares can be used to pay eichel and now eichel's salary is a negative number. we subracted tavares' long term salary and added eichel's
lol i just think it's an odd way to look at it when it's better to just look at the players involved. we get deeper and added vets that can help now while further stocking up on assets.
let's compare the miller/ott trade with the RoR trade.
miller/ott = halak, stewart, carrier, 1st, 3rd
ror = berglund, sobotka, thompson, 1st, 2nd
the ror trade is better without a doubt, even if you want to say that halak/stewart = berglund/sobotka. we get a higher pick, better prospect, and a 2nd vs a 3rd. the salaries were a wash in both deals.
seriously, what were people expecting ror to fetch? paryako + futures? paryako alone would be worth more than RoR considering term, AAV, and the difficulty of having a young top pair d floating around
It's very impressive that you keep bringing up months old Athletic article and yet you still haven't actually read it.People for some reason thought RoR, soon to be third line center making 7.5 million to score most of his goals not at even strength was the best two way player in the league despite getting outscored more than any player in the league last year. A player of such quality his team finished last, he sulked all the time and announced in front of teammates, the media and fans that being here made him lose his love for hockey. That player was supposed to get a player of equal value plus back in return.
Over in reality others of us are very excited to excise the sad sack from the room in which if you are very very quiet you can still here the words “I need to be better” echoing through. Included in that reality is the Sabres GM tasked with not allowing the great leader RoR to infect another batch of top prospects with his utter lack of will to turn things around. A man who must now be despised for giving up the almighty Ryan O’Reilly whose teams he has led to such vast successes in his career that he has been moved out of two organizations where he had issues with other talented players. And counting.
seriously, what were people expecting ror to fetch? paryako + futures? paryako alone would be worth more than RoR considering term, AAV, and the difficulty of having a young top pair d floating around
not to disagree and no way for us to know, but if we paid the bonus I wonder if ROR + 2nd + 4th for Paryako and Sobotka would have been possible.
that would mean essentially trading blues 1st + our 2nd + our 4th + Thompson + Berglund for Paryako.
Honestly, it seems more likely to me that paying ROR's bonus would've made his price too high to be moved at all. As though teams were genuinely disinterested in ROR for anything more than the pre-bonus asking price.not to disagree and no way for us to know, but if we paid the bonus I wonder if ROR + 2nd + 4th for Paryako and Sobotka would have been possible.
that would mean essentially trading blues 1st + our 2nd + our 4th + Thompson + Berglund for Paryako.