Player Discussion Ryan Miller | Pt. IV: Game over?

[Karl Childers*]

So are you the latest reincarnation of a shill I tore apart during the season and got banned? Is that why you're resorting to the personal attacks already? Got some pent-up bile to release?

"Earn your stripes"...yeah. How many years sitting on the bench counts towards that? The guy's 27. Either play him or don't pay serious $ for a backup. This isn't hard stuff here.

Not that you'd know that.

Uhhh ok ... you seem angry that Markstrom hasn't been given more of an opportunity and I partially agree with that so I don't know why you are getting all bent out of shape. Your approach to demand a trade for a player who hasn't proven anything in the league and is not a starter in any way is ridiculous. But by all means keep telling me about posters you've torn up.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Uhhh ok ... you seem angry that Markstrom hasn't been given more of an opportunity and I partially agree with that so I don't know why you are getting all bent out of shape. Your approach to demand a trade for a player who hasn't proven anything in the league and is not a starter in any way is ridiculous. But by all means keep telling me about posters you've torn up.

I just noticed in another thread you said something about how many hockey games I've played and now here you are again implying that I apparently am not qualified to judge due to some lack of sports experience (not that you'd know anything about me at all). It just seems very familiar is all. Almost like you're reaching for personal insults because you've got nothing substantial to offer otherwise. Becoming all too common around here.

And I'm saying Markstrom should ask for a trade because he's obviously not going to get a shot here. It's a waste of money having him sit on the bench if they're not going to give him a chance. Markstrom's now at the level where he either takes over or accepts a backup role and he sure as **** isn't paid like a backup. I just don't think it's a good use of resources if he's just going to be passed over for Miller until Miller either retires or dies. We can have Bachman mind the bench for a lot less if we're going to ride Miller into the ground, that's all I'm saying here.

 

[thepoeticgoblin]

Move on from the guy if he demands assurances of games and/or a too high cap hit. Go for someone like Anders Nilsson July 1st. Played excellent as Lehner's backup in Buffalo.

I just don't get why people are praising Miller over the moon but are unsure of Marky. They have been pretty much identical over the two years they've "shared" the crease. Don't give me "needs to earn it"-spiel either since Marky outperformed Miller up until Dec 31 (even Willie said so) and then Marky got a season ticket on the bench as Miller got very hot for a month (and played well after that).

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Move on from the guy if he demands assurances of games and/or a too high cap hit. Go for someone like Anders Nilsson July 1st. Played excellent as Lehner's backup in Buffalo.

I just don't get why people are praising Miller over the moon but are unsure of Marky. They have been pretty much identical over the two years they've "shared" the crease. Don't give me "needs to earn it"-spiel either since Marky outperformed Miller up until Dec 31 (even Willie said so) and then Marky got a season ticket on the bench as Miller got very hot for a month (and played well after that).

^^^This. They're pretty clearly looking past him by now. I don't know whether it's because Markstrom's a "Gillis guy" or some other unfathomably arbitrary reason Lindenningbrod is wont to use in cases like this but either give the guy a shot or just move on.

 

[thepoeticgoblin]

^^^This. They're pretty clearly looking past him by now. I don't know whether it's because Markstrom's a "Gillis guy" or some other unfathomably arbitrary reason Lindenningbrod is wont to use in cases like this but either give the guy a shot or just move on.

Yeah. By all means, bring Miller back. But why did they extend Marky before last year and then completely butchered his growth this season? They could've waited until now to negotiate because now we won't be able to move Marky ($3.67M is too much for a backup) and are still desperate for Miller (or at least Benning is). I mean, it's not the end of the world so the frustration is a bit overblown, but it's just that there are so many mistakes like this. It gets under your skin as a fan eventually, lol.

Oh well. Our prospect pool is starting to shape up finally so I'm actually quite content at the moment. And with Willie gone I'm certain Marky will at least get a fair shake so I shan't be making up a fuss about Miller anymore*.

*Unless the contract is just outright crazy!

 

[Karl Childers*]

I just noticed in another thread you said something about how many hockey games I've played and now here you are again implying that I apparently am not qualified to judge due to some lack of sports experience (not that you'd know anything about me at all). It just seems very familiar is all. Almost like you're reaching for personal insults because you've got nothing substantial to offer otherwise. Becoming all too common around here.

And I'm saying Markstrom should ask for a trade because he's obviously not going to get a shot here. It's a waste of money having him sit on the bench if they're not going to give him a chance. Markstrom's now at the level where he either takes over or accepts a backup role and he sure as **** isn't paid like a backup. I just don't think it's a good use of resources if he's just going to be passed over for Miller until Miller either retires or dies. We can have Bachman mind the bench for a lot less if we're going to ride Miller into the ground, that's all I'm saying here.

Hey I don't want Miller back either at any price and I want to see if Markstrom can play or not. I just don't think that sticking a gun to managements head is the way to go about your business especially if you are still finding your way in the league and haven't proven a hell of a lot. I'd like to go with a bit better option than Bachman for the backup position though.

 

[Chubros]

Receiver? Hanging up? Where am I? What year is this?

2017 in a typical office setting.

 

[krutovsdonut]

i am fine with signing miller to a 1 or 2 year deal for small beer. whether he is the backup or outplays markstrom is up to him.

miller needs 12 wins to pass barasso and 17 wins to pass the bieser and be the most winning 'merican goalie ever. he'll be motivated to do that and if his body holds up he'll hold the canucks in games trying to get there and push the team. that is nothing but good for player development.

 

[thepoeticgoblin]

i am fine with signing miller to a 1 or 2 year deal for small beer. whether he is the backup or outplays markstrom is up to him.

miller needs 12 wins to pass barasso and 17 wins to pass the bieser and be the most winning 'merican goalie ever. he'll be motivated to do that and if his body holds up he'll hold the canucks in games trying to get there and push the team. that is nothing but good for player development.

In my heart: I agree, but, selfishly, I'd rather he doesn't achieve that here. I'd much prefer us picking Dahlin or Svechnikov with our #1-2 pick next draft rather than finishing 23rd due to good goaltending. The difference between Miller and Marky is not (even remotely close to) playoffs vs. drafting top 2 - so why cling desperately to mediocrity?

Oh and also, the reported offer is $3-4M. Not "small beer". Man I'm just torn. I really see the logic in keeping Miller around, but at the same there are many cheaper options available for us that will help achieve mediocrity if that's our goal. I mean, we are coming off 28th and 29th finishes and Miller was the starter for both...

 

[mossey3535]

Rebuild time is not Miller time.

This desire to re-sign him is mind boggling. He wasn't even that good, all things considered. Even Bachman competed with him numbers-wise. It was fun watching him but he still has a lot of weird tendencies and his puck-tracking is starting to fall off.

 

[mossey3535]

In my heart: I agree, but, selfishly, I'd rather he doesn't achieve that here. I'd much prefer us picking Dahlin or Svechnikov with our #1-2 pick next draft rather than finishing 23rd due to good goaltending. The difference between Miller and Marky is not (even remotely close to) playoffs vs. drafting top 2 - so why cling desperately to mediocrity?

Oh and also, the reported offer is $3-4M. Not "small beer". Man I'm just torn. I really see the logic in keeping Miller around, but at the same there are many cheaper options available for us that will help achieve mediocrity if that's our goal. I mean, we are coming off 28th and 29th finishes and Miller was the starter for both...

Unless maybe we're admitting that playing Miller constantly = tanking?

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Rebuild time is not Miller time.

This desire to re-sign him is mind boggling. He wasn't even that good, all things considered. Even Bachman competed with him numbers-wise. It was fun watching him but he still has a lot of weird tendencies and his puck-tracking is starting to fall off.

Agreed; their infatuation with him is baffling. I don't think you would do all that worse just signing Chad Johnson or somebody like this to a 1M deal. Hell, I'd bring Lack back. Why not? Maybe he can re-discover his game. Or maybe he doesn't and you don't really lose anything. Or take a flier on some AHL guys who haven't really gotten a chance, maybe catch lightning in a bottle. Or if it must be a veteran guy then even someone like Bernier would probably be cheaper and 8 years younger.

****, honestly what goalie HASNT been able to put up a .915 here working under Rollie? It really doesn't seem to matter who we throw in net for the past decade or so.

Why does it have to be Miller? What is it about Ryan Miller that is so damn mesmerizing?

 

[Kryten]

Agreed; their infatuation with him is baffling. I don't think you would do all that worse just signing Chad Johnson or somebody like this to a 1M deal. Hell, I'd bring Lack back. Why not? Maybe he can re-discover his game. Or maybe he doesn't and you don't really lose anything. Or take a flier on some AHL guys who haven't really gotten a chance, maybe catch lightning in a bottle. Or if it must be a veteran guy then even someone like Bernier would probably be cheaper and 8 years younger.

****, honestly what goalie HASNT been able to put up a .915 here working under Rollie? It really doesn't seem to matter who we throw in net for the past decade or so.

Why does it have to be Miller? What is it about Ryan Miller that is so damn mesmerizing?

When was the last time a Vezina winner played for us?

 

[Hit the post]

Hell, I'd bring Lack back. Why not? Maybe he can re-discover his game.

Think the ship has sailed on that one; however I wouldn't mind bringing him back AND receive a draft pick/prospect for the trouble (just stick Lack in the AHL - should be at least good there).

 

[krutovsdonut]

In my heart: I agree, but, selfishly, I'd rather he doesn't achieve that here. I'd much prefer us picking Dahlin or Svechnikov with our #1-2 pick next draft rather than finishing 23rd due to good goaltending. The difference between Miller and Marky is not (even remotely close to) playoffs vs. drafting top 2 - so why cling desperately to mediocrity?

Oh and also, the reported offer is $3-4M. Not "small beer". Man I'm just torn. I really see the logic in keeping Miller around, but at the same there are many cheaper options available for us that will help achieve mediocrity if that's our goal. I mean, we are coming off 28th and 29th finishes and Miller was the starter for both...

$3 million if he makes his incentives is what i heard. which is a bargain for an experienced starter or a tandem.

based on the last two years, miller is not going to make any difference to the standings but we will be almost in a lot of games we lose. i will bet he is pondering whether he can get 17 in vancouver and would sign elsewhere if he saw a chance to get enough starts.

one thing is miller seems to magically eliminate goaltending controversy, which in this market is huge. markstrom might be the most sheltered heir apparent in the history of this franchise.

 

[thepoeticgoblin]

$3 million if he makes his incentives is what i heard. which is a bargain for an experienced starter or a tandem.

based on the last two years, miller is not going to make any difference to the standings but we will be almost in a lot of games we lose. i will bet he is pondering whether he can get 17 in vancouver and would sign elsewhere if he saw a chance to get enough starts.

one thing is miller seems to magically eliminate goaltending controversy, which in this market is huge. markstrom might be the most sheltered heir apparent in the history of this franchise.

Good points, again! I guess we'll see what happens but I think Miller will be back and I know that Green will give Marky a fair shake of winning the job as well - so it will probably work itself out.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

From Friedman's 30-Thoughts:

11. Goalie market: there is a lot of expectation of Ryan Miller to Anaheim for approximately $1 million, although I’m not sure if bonuses will be added to that. It makes a lot of sense.

Wow. That sure beats the pants off of the Canucks' beat writers buzzing of the Canucks offering $3m-$4m on a bonus-laden deal for Miller. Good grief.

Miller at $1m plus bonuses would be just fine with me.

 

[TruGr1t]

Not surprising Miller doesn't want to come back here and get shelled for 40-45 games. I always wondered why he'd bother short of some obscene contract offer, which it seems management finally figured out isn't the best idea.

 

[Nuckles]

From Friedman's 30-Thoughts:



Wow. That sure beats the pants off of the Canucks' beat writers buzzing of the Canucks offering $3m-$4m on a bonus-laden deal for Miller. Good grief.

Miller at $1m plus bonuses would be just fine with me.

I'm guessing he would take a discount to sign in California, for his wife.

 

[pitseleh]

I'm guessing he would take a discount to sign in California, for his wife.

Not to mention a chance to win, given he is old.

 

[MS]

Yeah, makes perfect sense for him to sign close to his family, have a chance to win a Cup, and play a lighter workload at age 37.

Benning will be devastated.

 

[jester00]

Assuming Miller is gone, my UFA goalie targets to pair with Markstrom are Condon, Nilsson or Kinkaid.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Yeah, makes perfect sense for him to sign close to his family, have a chance to win a Cup, and play a lighter workload at age 37.

Benning will be devastated.

First Sbisa and now Miller....must be a devastating past week for Jimbo so it likely means he will go to the NHL free agency casino and blow all his money on the slots and black jack tables.

 

[Nucker101]

Miller to ANA??

 

[MS]

Assuming Miller is gone, my UFA goalie targets to pair with Markstrom are Condon, Nilsson or Kinkaid.

I'd be happy to sign Jonathan Bernier and let them slug it out for the starting spot.