RW/C Elias Pettersson (2017, 5th, VAN) Part 5

[Panthaz89]

@Tryamkin what do you have to say for yourself, smh argued with me about this even after everyone had amazing draft + 1s

"2018 >> 2017 because of depth" lol

2018 will likely end up being the better draft but ok....

 

[Ainec]

2018 will likely end up being the better draft but ok....

"likely"? Sure we're a few years away

but how do you proclaim 2017 draft as weak after 1 dominant +1 season. You don't find what you're saying now contradictory?

 

[Tryamkin]

@Tryamkin what do you have to say for yourself, smh argued with me about this even after everyone had amazing draft + 1s

"2018 >> 2017 because of depth" lol

you’re literally dumb if you think this is a fact that you’re spitting in my face. they’ve had another year to develop.

 

[Ainec]

you’re literally dumb if you think this is a fact that you’re spitting in my face. they’ve had another year to develop.

??? "if you think this is a fact" What fact, I'm just pointing out how you were saying:

"2017 draft is weak" in 2017
"2017 draft is weak" in 2018

"2017 draft is weak and 2018 is much better" in 2018

 

[Tryamkin]

??? "if you think this is a fact" What fact, I'm just pointing out how you were saying:

"2017 draft is weak" in 2017
"2017 draft is weak" in 2018

"2017 draft is weak and 2018 is much better" in 2018

you talked mad trash but you lost WJC pool to me and that’s facts

come back to me in 3 years and we’ll see which draft is better.

 

[Ainec]

you talked mad trash but you lost WJC pool to me and that’s facts

come back to me in 3 years and we’ll see which draft is better.

I didn't say 2018 was worse. I'm just laughing at you saying 2017 was weak and then later saying it's weak because 2018 is better, and now saying you won because I think 2018 is weaker (no lol)

wtf mod

also I won the first year WJC draft (1st is most important, it's the first name you see afterall) and you lost to me. You won the 2nd year due to poehling luck. Why would you even bring that up, I went 16-0 year 1

 

[93LEAFS]

??? "if you think this is a fact" What fact, I'm just pointing out how you were saying:

"2017 draft is weak" in 2017
"2017 draft is weak" in 2018

"2017 draft is weak and 2018 is much better" in 2018

What's impressive about 2017 relative to other years in their D+2 compared to other recent classes. It's looking slightly better then 2012 and 2014. But, look at what 2015, and 2016 were doing in their draft plus 2? Pettersson is amazing, but that doesn't change the overall draft. Hischier and Heiskanen are also making an impact. Look at who was making a big impact for their teams for 2015 and 2016 in year 2.

2016: Matthews, Laine, PLD, Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy, and Debrincat. Guys like Girard and Bratt were also playing well.
2015: McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Provorov, Werenski, Aho, and Konecny. Rantanen played well on a terrible team. Plus, a bunch broke out in year 3 (although that is an unfair point to judge them relative to 2017).

2017 right now has three guys who would make either of those lists. In a year where scoring is up, only Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season. Heiskanen is good, but his year isn't much different than McAvoy, Provorov or Werenski's draft +2. Mittelstadt, Thomas, Rasmussen, and Chytil are getting minutes, but aren't on pace to break 40. Patrick really struggled, but maybe will have a strong 2nd half like last year. I'd still say, even in a re-draft, it's a below average year.

 

[Ainec]

What's impressive about 2017 relative to other years in their D+2 compared to other recent classes. It's looking slightly better then 2012 and 2014. But, look at what 2015, and 2016 were doing in their draft plus 2? Pettersson is amazing, but that doesn't change the overall draft. Hischier and Heiskanen are also making an impact. Look at who was making a big impact for their teams for 2015 and 2016 in year 2.

2016: Matthews, Laine, PLD, Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy, and Debrincat. Guys like Girard and Bratt were also playing well.
2015: McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Provorov, Werenski, Aho, and Konecny. Rantanen played well on a terrible team. Plus, a bunch broke out in year 3 (although that is an unfair point to judge them relative to 2017).

2017 right now has three guys who would make either of those lists. In a year where scoring is up, only Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season. Heiskanen is good, but his year isn't much different than McAvoy, Provorov or Werenski's draft +2. Mittelstadt, Thomas, Rasmussen, and Chytil are getting minutes, but aren't on pace to break 40. Patrick really struggled, but maybe will have a strong 2nd half like last year. I'd still say, even in a re-draft, it's a below average year.

you can't compare any draft with 2015, that's an outlier

2016 is an above average draft, better than 2017 and 2018. But the point was people such as Tryamkin were calling 2017 weak, as in 2011, 2012 fashion when it's one of the stronger drafts in the last decade


since 2008

2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 are all arguably weaker. So it's not below average

Heiskanen is also the best skating dmen and has better hands than all the dmen you listed. Maybe Werenski at one point had a higher offensive ceiling

 

[93LEAFS]

you can't compare any draft with 2015, that's an outlier

2016 is an above average draft, better than 2017 and 2018. But the point was people such as Tryamkin were calling 2017 weak, as in 2011, 2012 fashion when it's one of the stronger drafts in the last decade

It is still unlikely to be one of the stronger drafts of the decade. 2016 was sizably better at the same point, and I'd classify it as above average. 2013 tracked in a weird fashion but is likely to be significantly better than 2017. 2018 is better in the comparable draft +1 point of each draft. 2010 was better. We will see how it stacks up against 2011. I don't think it's likely that it finishes better than average relative to the decade.

 

[ZEBROA]

EP is already drafted, lets talk about that EP here instead of draft vs draft.

Any EP highlights from the Colorado game?

 

[topched88]

I think this kids gunna be good....

 

[GetFocht]

Did some insane moves the game yesterday, he's going to be incredible in his 2nd/3rd year of the NHL

 

[Star Ocean]

Did some insane moves the game yesterday, he's going to be incredible in his 2nd/3rd year of the NHL

Gifs plz

 

[WetcoastOrca]

What's impressive about 2017 relative to other years in their D+2 compared to other recent classes. It's looking slightly better then 2012 and 2014. But, look at what 2015, and 2016 were doing in their draft plus 2? Pettersson is amazing, but that doesn't change the overall draft. Hischier and Heiskanen are also making an impact. Look at who was making a big impact for their teams for 2015 and 2016 in year 2.

2016: Matthews, Laine, PLD, Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy, and Debrincat. Guys like Girard and Bratt were also playing well.
2015: McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Provorov, Werenski, Aho, and Konecny. Rantanen played well on a terrible team. Plus, a bunch broke out in year 3 (although that is an unfair point to judge them relative to 2017).

2017 right now has three guys who would make either of those lists. In a year where scoring is up, only Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season. Heiskanen is good, but his year isn't much different than McAvoy, Provorov or Werenski's draft +2. Mittelstadt, Thomas, Rasmussen, and Chytil are getting minutes, but aren't on pace to break 40. Patrick really struggled, but maybe will have a strong 2nd half like last year. I'd still say, even in a re-draft, it's a below average year.

Agree with most of this. But to say that Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season is selling him short. Over a complete season he would be on pace for about 90 points or so.

 

[93LEAFS]

Agree with most of this. But to say that Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season is selling him short. Over a complete season he would be on pace for about 90 points or so.

I misphrased it, or my point was unclear. My point more was, Pettersson is the only person who is an odds on favorite to get more than 60 points (Hischier is about a coin-flip) at this point. Not that he'd only get 60 points.

 

[GetFocht]

Gifs plz

 

[Tryamkin]

I didn't say 2018 was worse. I'm just laughing at you saying 2017 was weak and then later saying it's weak because 2018 is better, and now saying you won because I think 2018 is weaker (no lol)

wtf mod

also I won the first year WJC draft (1st is most important, it's the first name you see afterall) and you lost to me. You won the 2nd year due to poehling luck. Why would you even bring that up, I went 16-0 year 1

2018 > 2017, i don't care how you spin it ya weasel.

i won by more points this year than you did last year.

 

[Peeps]

It'll be fun with Q.Hughes on the PP in their prime.

 

[Grub]

It'll be fun with Q.Hughes on the PP in their prime.

Imagine if we had won the draft in 2018..
Dahlin and Pettersson would have been dynamic.

 

[Ainec]

2018 > 2017, i don't care how you spin it ya weasel.

i won by more points this year than you did last year.

name calling? wow you're really mature

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

name calling? wow you're really mature

When I read it, “ya weasel” sounded like a term of endearment in my head, if it makes you feel any better.

 

[BiggBird]

Love the Avalance play by play haha

 

[Tryamkin]

When I read it, “ya weasel” sounded like a term of endearment in my head, if it makes you feel any better.

correct,
j’adore la A-I-N-E-C

 

[Orca Smash]

His best move imo was a gif posted in the athletic where he was in his own zone, dragged the puck around compher, flipped the puck off his foot then up to his stick for a breakout pass.

 

[Canucks LB]

Love this