Speculation: Rumours, Speculation, and Armchair GM talk - XIV

Dertell · Nov 8, 2015

Johnny Hoxville said:
Perhaps this, Hiller, Wotherspoon and Shore for Bernier?

I have no idea why this board loves Bernier so much. He is mediocrity incarnate.

Calculon · Nov 8, 2015

herashak · Nov 9, 2015

drDT said:
I have no idea why this board loves Bernier so much. He is mediocrity incarnate.

id still swing that trade everyday. wotherspoon could be solid, maybe shore too but bernier and ortio/gillies next year is a solid duo. He's under contract for the season after this so it allows gillies to play an extra year in the minors. I'm a believer in bernier, and he doesn't have to be great for the trade to make sense. i think he'd be a #1 goalie for us.

tmurfin · Nov 9, 2015

Id do that trade every day of the week. Hiller, Shore and Wotherspoon are expendable pieces, and Bernier does have potential still.

Lunatik · Nov 9, 2015

drDT said:
I have no idea why this board loves Bernier so much. He is mediocrity incarnate.

I think Bernier still has potential to be a decent starter in this league. He's stuck behind one of the worst teams in the NHL. That said the upgrade is not enough to be worth Shore & Wotherspoon

tmurfin · Nov 9, 2015

100 Third Graders said:
I think Bernier still has potential to be a decent starter in this league. He's stuck behind one of the worst teams in the NHL. That said the upgrade is not enough to be worth Shore & Wotherspoon

TBH I don't think Shore and Wotherspoon are worth much, if anything at this point, if they're not there yet, they're very close.

Lunatik · Nov 9, 2015

tmurfin said:
TBH I don't think Shore and Wotherspoon are worth much, if anything at this point, if they're not there yet, they're very close.

Maybe not Shore, but people are writing off Wotherspoon way too early, the guy is only in his third pro season. He's a solid all around defenseman, as I said in another thread though I think he is like the Matt Stajan of defensemen (does everything well, has few weak points, but is not exceptional at anything) and it gets him overlooked.

Anglesmith · Nov 9, 2015

drDT said:
I have no idea why this board loves Bernier so much. He is mediocrity incarnate.

He was fantastic when he first went to Toronto, but he's been bludgeoned by the abysmal play in front of him for the last few years, and now he's a goalie with zero confidence. It's similar to the pummelling that Dubnyk's confidence took in Edmonton, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if someday Bernier gets a similar redemption.

TkachuksMouthguard · Nov 9, 2015

Anglesmith said:
He was fantastic when he first went to Toronto, but he's been bludgeoned by the abysmal play in front of him for the last few years, and now he's a goalie with zero confidence. It's similar to the pummelling that Dubnyk's confidence took in Edmonton, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if someday Bernier gets a similar redemption.

Im not sure the Flames are a place where goaltenders come to build their confidence back...

Tkachuk Norris · Nov 9, 2015

Bernier is the definition of average, he had one good season and the hype train got rolling. Not an upgrade on Ramo at all IMO. Plus Ramo has clearly found his game

tmurfin · Nov 9, 2015

100 Third Graders said:
Maybe not Shore, but people are writing off Wotherspoon way too early, the guy is only in his third pro season. He's a solid all around defenseman, as I said in another thread though I think he is like the Matt Stajan of defensemen (does everything well, has few weak points, but is not exceptional at anything) and it gets him overlooked.

I'm not writing him off, I see NHL potential there, but he's been passed in the system and seems to have stagnated, with our depth and growing prospect depth, not sure he has a future with us.

I wouldn't be against trading him and giving him a chance elsewhere while he still has a little value.

FLAMES666 · Nov 9, 2015

snipetype said:
Bernier is the definition of average, he had one good season and the hype train got rolling. Not an upgrade on Ramo at all IMO. Plus Ramo has clearly found his game

put Ramo on Toronto and what do you think he would look like?

xMatMcC · Nov 9, 2015

FLAMES666 said:
put Ramo on Toronto and what do you think he would look like?

Bernier

joeyabs · Nov 9, 2015

So is sigalet under the gun lately? Hes a hero when things are going well..

Anglesmith · Nov 9, 2015

FLAMES666 said:
put Ramo on Toronto and what do you think he would look like?

He'd probably look exactly like he did early this season when the Flames were playing like Toronto.

Tkachuk Norris · Nov 9, 2015

Bernier had 1 good season. 1!

The perception that he's a legit starting goalie is a result of the hype train that comes from Toronto when a player plays well for 5 games.
Realistically he belongs in that interchangeable goalie grouping. Guy's that are borderline starters, that are replaceable and cost a dime a dozen to acquire.

He is not an upgrade on Ramo or Hiller IMO. If we want an upgrade I think Bishop or Howard are the only real answers as they have two of the best young goalies behind them and both are legit #1 guys.
Personally, I think we stick with Ramo. Time and time again he proves that when he plays a lot, he plays like a legit starter. I think he's proving that again.

Kingsfan1 · Nov 9, 2015

What you guys project points wise for Bennett ? He's one my favorite prospects and believe he is underrated.

Volica · Nov 9, 2015

Kingsfan1 said:
What you guys project points wise for Bennett ? He's one my favorite prospects and believe he is underrated.

Should be somewhere near that 50-60 mark if he continues playing like he has.

herashak · Nov 9, 2015

Kingsfan1 said:
What you guys project points wise for Bennett ? He's one my favorite prospects and believe he is underrated.

I said 50 at the start of the year. Could be up to 65.

Pizza the Hutt · Nov 9, 2015

Kingsfan1 said:
What you guys project points wise for Bennett ? He's one my favorite prospects and believe he is underrated.

He'll challenge for the Calder.

Kingsfan1 · Nov 9, 2015

Volica said:
Should be somewhere near that 50-60 mark if he continues playing like he has.

herashak said:
I said 50 at the start of the year. Could be up to 65.

Pizza the Hutt said:
He'll challenge for the Calder.

Thanks guys ! Hope he wins the Calder.

And I hope you guys win a cup next few years so Oilers can shut up and we laugh at their horrible rebuild. I think you guys will be competitive for years to come and should make for exciting times in the NHL.

Master Bill · Nov 9, 2015

The reason Bernier is sucking so bad is because he's shooting that Hockey Wives show. Like who else on that show is having a good time on the ice? :sarcasm:

Johnny GODreau · Nov 10, 2015

Any interest in Varlamov?

Volica · Nov 10, 2015

Johnny GODreau said:
Any interest in Varlamov?

This guy has been an excellent goalie over the past 3-4 years, this year he has been fairly bad though. I mean, yeah, for the right price. His cap hit is 6 million dollars though; that's a lot.

I mean if the Avs took back a couple of our bad contracts, then I could see it.

Pirate King Luffy · Nov 10, 2015

Adrian Dater is a hack.

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