Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread: To buyout, or not to buyout?

[CycloneSweep]

Toronto's fan base MASSIVELY overrated every single player they have and think Andersson isn't any good anymore. Yet we have Soundwave raving how he will drag us to the playoffs and is sooooo much better than our guys but yet has been up near identical results on a much better team

 

[North]

Koskinen catches the puck the odd time too.

Blind squirrel, acorn you know the drill.

 

[Soundwave]

If he was "a lot better than Koskinen" then why aren't his results a lot better? Like seriously.
If Andersson was that much better than he should be playing better the last 3 years. He isn't. He is on a downswing and arguably not a starter on a playoff team anymore. Either is Koskinen.

We need to get a good goalie not just trade in our shit goalie for a below average one

We saw what the Oilers are with Koskinen as the defacto starter.

3 wins 6 losses well on their way to blowing the playoffs and going back to the days of Hitchcock if not Eakins/Krueger era Oilers.

Anderson got the Leafs to the playoffs every year he's been healthy. No problem.

These are not the same thing. You can use numbers to make Koskinen look almost as good as Smith too over 3 years, but we all know that doesn't pass the actual eye test.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Is that due to PJ improving that much or not wanting Bura?

Pulju is young, cheap, & only improving. Plus with the Hyman signing it looks like our top 6 is finally set.

Bura is a good player but there's no point shuffling deck chairs (and losing a high pick in the process) - if it's a deal where the Oilers are only giving up futures for players that can help the team win now, that may be something worth discussing.

 

[Soundwave]

You're assuming a lot about my argument. I actually agree with the latter part of your post.

Where we disagree is not on Koskinen, it's on Andersen. I actually don't think he could get the Oilers to the playoffs if Smith gets hurt/plays poorly.

A reasonably healthy Andersen got the Leafs to the playoffs every year, even in Matthews' freaking rookie season.

What has Koskinen done for the Oilers? Sit back and wait for his diaper to be changed by Daddy Smith?

If Smith was injured for 2 weeks longer last year, odds are the Oilers goose was cooked, they would have fallen behind too far behind the pack and lost all confidence.

 

[CycloneSweep]

We saw what the Oilers are with Koskinen as the defacto starter.

3 wins 6 losses well on their way to blowing the playoffs and going back to the days of Hitchcock if not Eakins/Krueger era Oilers.

Anderson got the Leafs to the playoffs every year he's been healthy. No problem.

These are not the same thing. You can use numbers to make Koskinen look almost as good as Smith too over 3 years, but we all know that doesn't pass the actual eye test.

Okay and by the eye test Andersson has been getting worse every year.

I don't know why you ignore the eye test by Toronto fans.

The numbers tell you a story, the eye test confirms it.

Andersson didn't get Toronto to the playoffs. Their team did he has been floundering for years now and you seem to be one of the only ones in the hockey world to ignore it.

And you want to overpay him to do so.

Wanna take a chance on him? Fine throw him 2 mill for a year. It's all he is worth.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Can we put Koski in the AHL until the trade deadline? Save a mil and hope he walks?

No

He's got a no movement clause. You know because of.....

@Del Preston I need that seal stamp right about now

 

[Soundwave]

Toronto's fan base MASSIVELY overrated every single player they have and think Andersson isn't any good anymore. Yet we have Soundwave raving how he will drag us to the playoffs and is sooooo much better than our guys but yet has been up near identical results on a much better team

lol, so you should realize how stupid that is.

Their fan base are drama queens that overreact.

A year ago, if you have any freaking memory you would know this, they were saying Tyson Barrie was the worst D-Man in the NHL and would crater the Oilers blue line and was going to be -35.

How'd that work out?

They overrate players when they are good perhaps, but they also go too far the other way when they are upset.

 

[Del Preston]

No

He's got a no movement clause. You know because of.....

@Del Preston I need that seal stamp right about now

Koskinen only has a modified NTC on this contract. Still dumb, though.

 

[North]

did we miss the deadline to buyout neal??

No. We can waive him and buy him out on Tuesday.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Koskinen = bad
Smith = Too old
Andersson = a little less bad but still bad

If your goal is to make it to game 7 in round and get embarassed Freddy Andersson is your guy

 

[Cloned]

A reasonably healthy Andersen got the Leafs to the playoffs every year, even in Matthews' freaking rookie season.

What has Koskinen done for the Oilers? Sit back and wait for his diaper to be changed by Daddy Smith?

If Smith was injured for 2 weeks longer last year, odds are the Oilers goose was cooked, they would have fallen behind too far behind the pack and lost all confidence.

You're still framing it like I'm defending Koskinen.

My main point in comparing Andersen to Koskinen wasn't to defend Koskinen, it was to trash Andersen. Because he simply isn't good anymore.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You're still framing it like I'm defending Koskinen.

My main point in comparing Andersen to Koskinen wasn't to defend Koskinen, it was to trash Andersen. Because he simply isn't good anymore.

Ding ding ding

You are arguing with Soundwave though who wanted to spend 4mill on Bogosian cause it would get him here and throw him on the top pairing.

Guy is a massive Leafs fan and won't admit it and overrated every player to touch that team

 

[Oilhawks]

The Leafs plan on adding about $30M worth of talent on Wednesday according to the Toronto media.

Sounds legit

 

[Soundwave]

Koskinen = bad
Smith = Too old
Andersson = a little less bad but still bad

If your goal is to make it to game 7 in round and get embarassed Freddy Andersson is your guy

The Oilers have no right to act like they are some playoff lock. They still have to work extremely hard to get there and if Koskinen-Smith is the tandem, then Smith has to repeat last year for them to make it because Mikko ain't doin' shit as the "guy".

The stress a defacto NHL starter is a different level of stress. Guys like Koskinen (and many others in the NHL) cannot handle that level of stress, that's all there is to it.

Andersen at least can, he's been a work horse in Toronto and for all your talk about him declining, he's literally one year removed from a solid .917 season where the Leafs were again headed towards being a 96-100+ point pace team more or less.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Tierney for 3C?

Also Dadanov can be very productive with elite linemates. 66-point average over 3 years with Barkov. $3.5M could be a steal.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The Oilers have no right to act like they are some playoff lock. They still have to work extremely hard to get there and if Koskinen-Smith is the tandem, then Smith has to repeat last year for them to make it because Mikko ain't doin' shit as the "guy".

The stress a defacto NHL starter is a different level of stress. Guys like Koskinen (and many others in the NHL) cannot handle that level of stress, that's all there is to it.

Andersen at least can, he's been a work horse in Toronto and for all your talk about him declining, he's literally one year removed from a solid .917 season where the Leafs were again headed towards being a 96-100+ point pace team more or less.

One year removed? That was 2 seasons ago. I literally literally just showed the numbers lol. Koskinen is the guy who is one year removed from a 0.917. man can't even get the numbers straight lol

 

[Soundwave]

You're still framing it like I'm defending Koskinen.

My main point in comparing Andersen to Koskinen wasn't to defend Koskinen, it was to trash Andersen. Because he simply isn't good anymore.

Because one injury riddled season told you that? He was literally .917 as the defacto starter for the Leafs one year prior.

Under Keefe they played at like a 105+ point pace.

What's wrong with that.

Andersen-Smith would be probably the best tandem in the division and the best tandem the Oilers have had in like 30 years.

Both guys can play and function as a legit starter for fairly long stretches, and when they can't having two of them means they can give the other guy a break to reset.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Because one injury riddled season told you that? He was literally .917 as the defacto starter for the Leafs one year prior.

Under Keefe they played at like a 105+ point pace.

What's wrong with that.

Andersen-Smith would be probably the best tandem in the division and the best tandem the Oilers have had in like 30 years.

Both guys can play and function as a legit starter for fairly long stretches, and when they can't having two of them means they can give the other guy a break to reset.

0.909 the year prior, 0.917 the year before that.

You seem to be ignoring the difference in the entire team.

Andersen-Smith isn't even top 2 in the division, hell it's not even top 3.

Markstrom+Nothing is better than that
Fleury/Lehner+ Nothing is better
Demko+Whatever is better

 

[Soundwave]

I would still take him, Koskinen simply cannot handle the mental duress of being a starter for even 2 weeks.

Grubauer likely stays in Colorado.

Ullmark is a coin flip at best.

Past that there is no clear cut great option that will be cheaper with less term than Andersen.

Mike Smith had a shit season in Calgary before coming here too and refound his game.

The Oilers are probably not going to be an actual Cup contender next year, Holland is not clever enough to do all that needs to be done this quickly it's becoming clear that was always an unrealistic ask.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I would still take him, Koskinen simply cannot handle the mental duress of being a starter for even 2 weeks.

Grubauer likely stays in Colorado.

Ullmark is a coin flip at best.

Past that there is no clear cut great option that will be cheaper with less term than Andersen.

Mike Smith had a shit season in Calgary before coming here too and refound his game.

The Oilers are probably not going to be an actual Cup contender next year, Holland is not clever enough to do all that needs to be done this quickly it's becoming clear that was always an unrealistic ask.

So throw 4 mill and term at Andersson cause it might win us an extra game?

 

[780il]

Tierney for 3C?

Also Dadanov can be very productive with elite linemates. 66-point average over 3 years with Barkov. $3.5M could be a steal.

Neal for Murray?

Matt Murray is owed a pretty big chunk of money in real cash, and Ottawa has a bunch of young goalies with upside.

 

[Soundwave]

So throw 4 mill and term at Andersson cause it might win us an extra game?

What extra game? Koskinen cannot function as a starter, ever. For any stretch of time. EVER. Do you understand this concept? Andersen and Smith can function in that role for stretches at a time even if they're not what they once were because they actually have been in that position before and know what they're doing.

Koskinen doesn't have the faintest clue as to how to be an NHL starter in a market like Edmonton to boot. No way.

His numbers are irrelevant to a degree because he can't replicate those numbers as a starter in any kind of situation. What was Koskinen's save percentage in the first 9 starts of the year?

 

[Oilhawks]

I would still take him, Koskinen simply cannot handle the mental duress of being a starter for even 2 weeks.

Grubauer likely stays in Colorado.

Ullmark is a coin flip at best.

Past that there is no clear cut great option that will be cheaper with less term than Andersen.

Mike Smith had a shit season in Calgary before coming here too and refound his game.

The Oilers are probably not going to be an actual Cup contender next year, Holland is not clever enough to do all that needs to be done this quickly it's becoming clear that was always an unrealistic ask.

Mike had a so-so year his first year here, realized it and went and got appropriate training to elevate his game. Who's to say that Anderson will do the same? The guy is flawed. Bringing him in over Koskinen is likely a side-grade, maybe 10% upgrade at most. Not worth it

 

[TheNumber4]

Would you guys consider Burakovsky for Puljujarvi and a 2022 2nd?

Wouldn’t even do Burakovsky + 2nd for Puljujaarvi.