Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Perry? Neal? Eriksson?

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TopShelfGloveSide

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Really?

Nurse should NEVER outscore Ehlers.

That's the point.
I got the point and it’s silly. I’m not for or against the trade but going off one season which happened to be the best and the worst season by A MILE for each player is silly. You are right. Nurse shouldn’t our score Ehlers... and he usually doesn’t come close.

If we tunnel vision just last season then I guess Chiasson is worth Ehlers right?
 
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Shattenkirk hasn’t been a top four defenceman in years. He couldn’t even manage 19 minutes a night on one of the worst defensive corps in the NHL without getting his head kicked in. This “he’d put up 60 points in Edmonton” take is straight out of 2013. He’s an absolute liability at even strength and shouldn’t be anywhere near a penalty kill. All he is now is a bottom pairing powerplay specialist with a big fat Cap hit. Make no mistake about it, he’s a cap dump and a massive one.

Nobody in their right mind is giving up a first and a Puljujarvi level prospect for this player as a rental. Frankly he borders on a guy you’d have to pay someone to take.

I like Kreider but this team is in no position to be chasing overrated rentals.
I'm sure if you spoke to anyone employed in an NHL organization they'd tell you differently. You're an Oiler fan who saw Justin Schultz go from trainwreck to Norris-calibre in two short years because he was on a roster with the ability to push the play the other way.

Shattenkirk isn't a game-breaking defenseman. He's a complimentary puck mover who can produce on the PP. Put him in a good situation, he's a 60 point defenseman. Put him in a bad one and he looks like he does now.

As for 'chasing', what are we giving up? The only value we're giving up here is trading back twelve spots in the draft. Either of the players we're getting cost considerably more than Jesse Puljujarvi, as does the ability to clear the entire term of Milan Lucic's contract.

The Oilers make out like bandits.
 
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An 8th for 20th+Kreider trade would be without an extension.

Look at what MTL got for an extended MaxPac. You're likely taking out the 20th and adding to the 8th if you want an extension in place.

Both scenarios would be awful trades for the Oilers.
Why wouldn't Kreider extend here?
 

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I'm sure if you spoke to anyone employed in an NHL organization they'd tell you differently. You're an Oiler fan who saw Justin Schultz go from trainwreck to Norris-calibre in two short years because he was on a roster with the ability to push the play the other way.

Shattenkirk isn't a game-breaking defenseman. He's a complimentary puck mover who can produce on the PP. Put him in a good situation, he's a 60 point defenseman. Put him in a bad one and he looks like he does now.

As for 'chasing', what are we giving up? The only value we're giving up here is trading back twelve spots in the draft. Either of the players we're getting cost considerably more than Jesse Puljujarvi, as does the ability to clear the entire term of Milan Lucic's contract.

The Oilers make out like bandits.

Schultz still had upside, was young, and wildly mismanaged. Shattenkirk has none - he washed out of St Louis, was useless in Washington, and now he’s not an everyday defenceman for a team whose best defenceman is Brady freaking Skjei. He’s aging, wildly expensive, backsliding, terrible defensively and useless 5 on 5. His career high for points is 45, how on earth is he going to hit 60 at 31 years old on a poor team like ours? Unless your argument is “nobody has ever used him correctly except me” :laugh:

NYR is using him as best they can - hugely sheltered zonestarts and matchups at 5 on 5, big powerplay minutes, and he’s still completely brutal for them on the defensive side of the puck. Whoever was partnered with him would have to do some major league babysitting. Klefbom’s too important to task him with that and Nurse isnt ready. Unless you want to form a 13 million dollar bottom pairing with Sekera that’s a horrible idea.

I *might* do Lucic straight up for him. That’s all the value I would assign to him at this point.

There’s every possibility all we’ve got in one year’s time to show for this trade is whoever we’ve picked at 20 and a Shattenkirk buyout. He’s bad, man. Really bad.
 
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Wow, Matty giving the goods. A classic "take our trash for stuff we can use" deal. Very news worthy.
I actually think this is a deal that could make sense for both teams. Reimer at $3.4M on the cap for two years and $6.2M in salary is not going to be the easiest player for the Panthers to move. They probably have to eat $1M or so if they want to trade him and then they still will have to take something back. This deal works if their goal is to sign Bob since it looks like Luongo is going no where and they likely would prefer Montembeault as a cheap alternative in Lu is LTIR. Throw in lots of talk about Panarin and Trouba and the Panthers could be looking to shed cap and salary. They could buy out Manning and save $2.5M in cap space this year and $2.8M next year, as well as $4.6M in real money over the next two years.

From the Oilers's perspective this is essentially Reimer for $2.4M on the cap this year. It will be a risk but could pay off as the "good" Reimer is a decent 1B. Next year, after his bonus is paid Reimer is only owed $850K so he would be easy to move if need be.
 

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Schultz still had upside, was young, and wildly mismanaged. Shattenkirk has none - he washed out of St Louis, was useless in Washington, and now he’s not an everyday defenceman for a team whose best defenceman is Brady freaking Skjei. He’s aging, wildly expensive, backsliding, terrible defensively and useless 5 on 5. His career high for points is 45, how on earth is he going to hit 60 at 31 years old on a poor team like ours? Unless your argument is “nobody has ever used him correctly except me” then you’re totally out to lunch.

There’s every possibility all we’ve got in one year’s time to show for this trade is whoever we’ve picked at 20 and a Shattenkirk buyout. He’s bad, man. Really bad.

His career high is 56 points, a couple seasons ago.
 

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Apparently you missed where I said if we’re movinf Nurse I don’t want Ehlers, I want Connor and didn’t bring up the idea.

You're not getting Connor for Nurse.

Connor is a two time 30 plus goal scorer who the Jets used to jump start other lines. They value him highly.
 

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I got the point and it’s silly. I’m not for or against the trade but going off one season which happened to be the best and the worst season by A MILE for each player is silly. You are right. Nurse shouldn’t our score Ehlers... and he usually doesn’t come close.

If we tunnel vision just last season then I guess Chiasson is worth Ehlers right?

No, but it does put a question mark on Ehlers.
 

ThePhoenixx

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You're not getting Connor for Nurse.

Connor is a two time 30 plus goal scorer who the Jets used to jump start other lines. They value him highly.

The Oilers cannot afford to trade Nurse for Connor. No matter who people think has more value. IMO, a thirty goal winger does not get you a Nurse. He is exactly what teams are looking for in a Dman. Big, fast, mobile, generates offense, good at defense, tough, fights. He's going to get 6 mil long term if he repeats last season or improves.
 

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The Oilers cannot afford to trade Nurse for Connor. No matter who people think has more value. IMO, a thirty goal winger does not get you a Nurse. He is exactly what teams are looking for in a Dman. Big, fast, mobile, generates offense, good at defense, tough, fights. He's going to get 6 mil long term if he repeats last season or improves.

He's absolutely not good at defense. Which is something the Jets need.

I agree that the Oilers can't afford to trade Nurse without having another d coming back because they'd have a massive hole to fill because of how thin the big club d is but don't kid yourself.

Connor has far more value than Nurse.
 
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ThePhoenixx

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He's absolutely not good at defense. Which is something the Jets need.

I agree that the Oilers can't afford to trade Nurse without having another d coming back because they'd have a massive hole to fill because of how thin the big club d is but don't kid yourself.

Connor has far more value than Nurse.

Whatever. Agree to disagree. No need to waste our time.
 

North

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Meh fair enough. I find his Hoodini act in the playoffs concerning as well.

Watching Ehlers play, you can see he has skill but his decision making is questionable.

I don't know how many times i've seen him skate himself into trouble.
 
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