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How many trades does Gretzky complete prior to the deadline (including on deadline day)?


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Raab

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I don't think so.

Second or third maybe but that means little on this team. I don't think you can argue he's better than Klefbom.

Id take Pionk over Klefbom on the PP for sure. 5 on 5 would be a question. Id like to see what he looked like with Larsson before saying for sure. Even if he's our second best dman, getting that for Puljujarvi would be a steal.
 

Raab

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Rangers fans would give Pionk away for free.

He went way downhill since last season.

And they would be dumb. Guy was top pairing for the first half of the season, then got hurt and lost his confidence. On top of that you have to consider he may be suffering a bit from the sophomore slump. Id take him in a heartbeat. He's exactly what this team needs.
 

North

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I wonder who Russell would waive for and who would want him.

I know some people love him but he makes a lot of sense to move. He should have value and that clears 4 million in cap space and he's very replaceable.

Calgary maybe Vancouver. I think he wants to stay close to Alberta.
 

Bryanbryoil

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I wonder who Russell would waive for and who would want him.

I know some people love him but he makes a lot of sense to move. He should have value and that clears 4 million in cap space and he's very replaceable.

Yeah if Sekera stays healthy the rest of the way I'd keep him over Russell. Russell out and Jones in would improve the puck moving from our blueline.
 
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ImmuneEH

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Pionk has the most points on their blueline this season, why would they trade him? What am I missing?

Where is he on their depth chart? If he can slide into 2RD I'd definitely send JP away for him.
 

Numz

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Bored as hell after I got home from work and I was looking at the box score of tonight's game.

I'd like to to be clear that I'm not suggesting this trade. I know Centers are the last thing we are looking for, although it can be argued some can play wing. Out of pure boredom, I'm just merely curious as to what you guys think it would take value wise if it were to happen.

I'm guessing EDM would have to add, maybe a 2nd since we'd be getting a better player and getting cap space back 2 years earlier.

To EDM: Derek Stepan: Cap Hit 6.5 Million UFA 2021

2010-11NYR822124458200.5530316612.7986
2011-12NYR8217345114220.6240416910.11136
2012-13NYR4818264425120.9241610816.71255
2013-14NYR8217405712180.705021998.51083
2014-15NYR6816395526220.8132315510.31090
2015-16NYR722231535200.7453519211.51065
2016-17NYR8117385519160.684122098.11116
2017-18ARI82144256-7260.683222096.71156
2018-19ARI58111627-7140.471221577.01150
Totals:655153290443951700.6832112915649.8--
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To Arizona: Milan Lucic: Cap Hit 6 Million UFA 2023

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2008-09BOS72172542171360.582039717.5896
2009-10BOS5091120-7440.400027212.5861
2010-11BOS79303262281210.7850717317.3994
2011-12BOS8126356171350.7570114917.41021
2012-13BOS46720278750.59000798.91014
2013-14BOS8024355930910.7430515315.71042
2014-15BOS8118264413810.5420414112.8981
2015-16LA8120355526790.6820512416.11034
2016-17EDM82232750-3500.61120317513.11029
2017-18EDM82102434-12800.413011476.8958
2018-19EDM585914-11650.24200559.1810
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780il

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Puljujarvi + 2nd for Zacha + Wood
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Puljujarvi for Zacha + 5th

Zacha would be a great 3c behind Mcdavid and Drai/Nuge. Big, physical, great in his own zone, pk's.
 
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CycloneSweep

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If this team wants to compete there is no way our top 4 can include all 3 of Nurse,Larsson and Klefbom.

It's looking more and more like Larsson is a solid 2nd pairing guy, Klefbom can be top pairing.

The way Nurses game is looking,he can be an offensive threat but is defensive game has a lot to be desired.

Klefbom - Blank
Blank - Larsson
Nurse - Blank

Ideally should be the makeup going forward.
 

ConnorMcNugesaitl

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If this team wants to compete there is no way our top 4 can include all 3 of Nurse,Larsson and Klefbom.

It's looking more and more like Larsson is a solid 2nd pairing guy, Klefbom can be top pairing.

The way Nurses game is looking,he can be an offensive threat but is defensive game has a lot to be desired.

Klefbom - Blank
Blank - Larsson
Nurse - Blank

Ideally should be the makeup going forward.

I disagree I think if you had a legit number 1 or even another 2 like Hamilton you could have those 3 and have a good top 4.

Nurse and Larsson could make up a solid 2nd pairing.
 

Bryanbryoil

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If this team wants to compete there is no way our top 4 can include all 3 of Nurse,Larsson and Klefbom.

It's looking more and more like Larsson is a solid 2nd pairing guy, Klefbom can be top pairing.

The way Nurses game is looking,he can be an offensive threat but is defensive game has a lot to be desired.

Klefbom - Blank
Blank - Larsson
Nurse - Blank

Ideally should be the makeup going forward.

His offensive game has surged while his defensive game has suffered.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-Bouchard/Bear
 
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GodPucker

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His offensive game has surged while his defensive game has suffered.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-Bouchard/Bear
If we want to be a future contender, everybody shifts down.

#1 - ????
#2 Klef
#3 Larsson
#4 A healthy Sekera clone
#5/#6 young actual contributor Jones

True contender, this is a pipe dream

Somehow

#1 - Found or drafted
#2 - Found or drafted
#3/4 - Klef/Larsson
etc
 

TopShelfGloveSide

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Cap friendly is down. Does Kris Russell have a full NTC this year? I know a ten team list starts next year.
 

GOilers88

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They gave him a roster spot right from the start. How is that ****ing him around? He was given NHL ice time out of the gate. Todd McLellan lit a fire under this player and got him to focus on his puck pursuit and game without the puck.

This kid had the tools to be a very effective NHLer, which is why he was so highly ranked. He didn't prioritize the language, nor has he really improved any facet of his offensive game--including his coordination, which is still hilariously awkward.

The organization deserves criticism for rushing this kid to the NHL, but seeing how he's come out as someone who thinks he's too good for AHL competition, you really need to question whether he was willing to slow play his NHL career at all.

I don't get the thought process of sticking him on scoring lines either. He kills plays. He's never in position--defensively or offensively. He stifles breakouts and he's ineffective on the cycle. How is sticking him up there at all beneficial to his development as an NHLer?

He needs a one or two year raincheck. He needs to learn English, he needs to fill out physically and he needs to learn the game. He a looooooong way away from being the player he was expected to be.
Giving him a roster spot right after drafting him is exactly how they f***ed him around. They've been doing it forever.
 

Burnt Biscuits

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His offensive game has surged while his defensive game has suffered.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-Bouchard/Bear
I don't think Nurse can have a prominent role on the team if we want to be good anytime soon, we should trade him either at the deadline or in the offseason, with his offensive numbers at an all time high I'd like to do so at the deadline. The reality is we'll likely stick with him and give him a big raise when this bridge deal expires and regret it soon afterwards. He can play pretty good man on man defense when he just utilizes his physical gifts, but in zone style defense which all teams play he is just completely lost out there and on text book 2 on 1's he always finds himself in the odd position of not fully committing to taking the pass option away, or the man, or the shot, tries to remain in position to do all 3, but fails completely in taking any option away, basically a backwards skating pylon. It seems like opposition forwards have picked up on his flaws, he doesn't have a good active stick and doesn't close off passing lanes or stop pucks well with his body, guys are passing right through him and around him with a high level of frequency, there are low percentage plays you tend to not see forwards do that often around the net, but they do them when Nurse is on the ice cause pucks just get through him or past him.

If Sekera's wheels are back and it kind of looks like they are, he's probably back to being our 3rd best d-man in short order, leaving Russell as our 4th best d-man, not as talented or gifted as Nurse, but he knows his strengths and weaknesses and plays better around his limitations and to his strengths, plus brings a much higher degree of consistency. Nurse is starting to remind me a bit of Jack Johnson, brings a lot of tools to the table, but hasn't refined it into a package that translates to winning more hockey games, I do think he will figure things out well enough at some point, but I see the maturation process being a long one before he draws his game in and does less, but does so consistently, and effectively.
 

Tyrolean

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I don't think Nurse can have a prominent role on the team if we want to be good anytime soon, we should trade him either at the deadline or in the offseason, with his offensive numbers at an all time high I'd like to do so at the deadline. The reality is we'll likely stick with him and give him a big raise when this bridge deal expires and regret it soon afterwards. He can play pretty good man on man defense when he just utilizes his physical gifts, but in zone style defense which all teams play he is just completely lost out there and on text book 2 on 1's he always finds himself in the odd position of not fully committing to taking the pass option away, or the man, or the shot, tries to remain in position to do all 3, but fails completely in taking any option away, basically a backwards skating pylon. It seems like opposition forwards have picked up on his flaws, he doesn't have a good active stick and doesn't close off passing lanes or stop pucks well with his body, guys are passing right through him and around him with a high level of frequency, there are low percentage plays you tend to not see forwards do that often around the net, but they do them when Nurse is on the ice cause pucks just get through him or past him.

If Sekera's wheels are back and it kind of looks like they are, he's probably back to being our 3rd best d-man in short order, leaving Russell as our 4th best d-man, not as talented or gifted as Nurse, but he knows his strengths and weaknesses and plays better around his limitations and to his strengths, plus brings a much higher degree of consistency. Nurse is starting to remind me a bit of Jack Johnson, brings a lot of tools to the table, but hasn't refined it into a package that translates to winning more hockey games, I do think he will figure things out well enough at some point, but I see the maturation process being a long one before he draws his game in and does less, but does so consistently, and effectively.
Totally agree. Nurse is one I would definitely trade for an upgrade.
 

Smartguy

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St. Louis is on a tear right now, but if they were to slow down and have a first round exit, I’d bet they’d stay the course in this mini re tool they’ve been on. Schwartz has had a down year for them, but he’s a great player. I’d wonder if they’d do Pulju+ pick in the offseason? Similar trade to when we grabbed Perron actually
 

frag2

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His offensive game has surged while his defensive game has suffered.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-Bouchard/Bear

If you have Klef and Lars running top pairing, you're going to be stuck in mediocrity IMO. We need an upgrade or Klef equivalent still and this is coming from a non Klef fan .

Also Nurse is a mess. Coupled with his rumored ask of 5+M during the off season, unless we rid of Larsson or Russell, not sure we keep Nurse. Plus like Biscuits said, he's at his greatest value at the moment and might be a good idea to see what we can get.

I'm not sure nurse will ever get out of his Jekyll Hyde game
 
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joestevens29

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If you have Klef and Lars running top pairing, you're going to be stuck in mediocrity IMO. We need an upgrade or Klef equivalent still and this is coming from a non Klef fan .

Also Nurse is a mess. Coupled with his rumored ask of 5+M during the off season, unless we rid of Larsson or Russell, not sure we keep Nurse. Plus like Biscuits said, he's at his greatest value at the moment and might be a good idea to see what we can get.

I'm not sure nurse will ever get out of his Jekyll Hyde game
I don't fully agree. You can have those guys running your top pair, but you better damn well have a bottom pairing made up of top 4 like guys.
 

CycloneSweep

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His offensive game has surged while his defensive game has suffered.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-Bouchard/Bear
And we are bottom 5 again.

That is not a legit NHL defense core. Klefbom is good not great. Larsson hasn't been the same since the playoff year and is a second pairing guy. Sekera has played one NHL game and looked fine, he is most likely a third pairing guy now. Nurse can be a top 4 defender but he needs to be with a legit #3 or better or he gets run over.

You run that dcore next year then the plan is obviously Lafreniere
 
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