Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2019-20 Pt. VIII: The Titanic Edition

[leeroggy]

Is it time to rethink about Evander Kane? Would San Jose be tempted with a Leddy/Cizikas package (we can make it bigger for both sides)? Kane has 5 years left at $7 million, is still only 28 and basically has been scoring at a 30-goal pace for the last 4 years. $7 million for 30 goals is not a bad contract right now.

The salary cap numbers are pretty similar. San Jose needs a 2nd-pairing LD. Cizikas fits the 3C need for them.

Then if we get the buyout on Ladd and end up with Parise you now have a top line of Parise, Barzal and Kane. That's much better wingers for Barzal as far as style of play is concerned and pushes the rest of our wingers down a slot, where they belong.

 

[eoin92]

Is it time to rethink about Evander Kane? Would San Jose be tempted with a Leddy/Cizikas package (we can make it bigger for both sides)? Kane has 5 years left at $7 million, is still only 28 and basically has been scoring at a 30-goal pace for the last 4 years. $7 million for 30 goals is not a bad contract right now.

The salary cap numbers are pretty similar. San Jose needs a 2nd-pairing LD. Cizikas fits the 3C need for them.

Then if we get the buyout on Ladd and end up with Parise you now have a top line of Parise, Barzal and Kane. That's much better wingers for Barzal as far as style of play is concerned and pushes the rest of our wingers down a slot, where they belong.

yeah, but isn’t Kane a notorious douche bag?

 

[SI]

There's simply so much wiggle room to be gained by being able to buy out Parise or Suter.

And as mentioned in a recent post, they have a direct replacement for Parise right in their system in Kaprizov. Gotta make use of that.

I agree - although Minny Fans may rather see someone they have no connection with (and has been disappointing) head out over Parise - in the long run they have to make that contract disappear if they can

BUT

If the amnesty is granted and teams have the OPTION to use it in 2021, then the Wild will amnesty Parise next offseason - squeezing out one more productive season. I got into it with other fans here that Minny should be in rebuild but they look pretty good to me -
With a potential top 6 of Fiala, Kaprizov, Parise, Staal, Zuccarello, and maybe resigning Galchenyuk, who looked much better in Minny.
They have Karpizov coming over, they have 2 1st round picks in this draft, and once they resign Soucy and their RFAs they will have over 8 million in cap space to spend - NO rush to amnesty buyout Parise this season if they could wait.

BUT if the buyout MUST be used this offseason - Parise is the player and the Isles would be top of the list.

 

[SI]

I'm hinting at an approach more than a specific player. Doesn't have to be Winnipeg.

I do think Cizikas, as nice a player as he is, became redundant when JGP signed long term. But to a team needing a 3C he would be more valuable and likely would be re-signed by the acquirer. He can be replaced cheaper. A $1 million contract for Colin Wilson for example. Toronto did the same thing with Spezza for next to nothing.

Montreal might be a great spot for both of them. If we can't get the immediate scoring winger then picks and a prospect would be fine. Certainly opens cap space for whatever buyout candidate might fall in our laps (our two).

Disagree. The Isles struggled last season with their C depth.

Having Cizikas and JGP isn't a redundancy - it is what gives them an edge in this tough Metro division.

 

[SI]

This spreadsheet below shows how tight it would be if teams are granted amnesty buyouts, but Parise is not bought out, leaving the Isles to target Hoffman.

Hoffman	6	Barzal	6	Eberle	5.5
Beauvillier	2.1	Nelson	6	Dal Colle	0.7
Lee	7	Pageau	5	Bailey	5
Komarov	3	Cizikas	3.35	Clutterbuck	3.5
Johnston	1
Pelech	1.6	Varlamov	5	Pulock	6.25
Toews	2.4	Sorokin	0.925	Mayfield	1.45
Greene	1.5			Boychuk	6
Hickey (buried)	1.45			AHO	0.75
				Total 22 Man	81.475

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

You can see that it is tight- only a 22 man roster, carrying Aho over Dobson (to save an extra .200k), and everyone taking friendlier deals (mainly Barzal) to fit Hoffman.

 

[Not4u]

Is it time to rethink about Evander Kane? Would San Jose be tempted with a Leddy/Cizikas package (we can make it bigger for both sides)? Kane has 5 years left at $7 million, is still only 28 and basically has been scoring at a 30-goal pace for the last 4 years. $7 million for 30 goals is not a bad contract right now.

The salary cap numbers are pretty similar. San Jose needs a 2nd-pairing LD. Cizikas fits the 3C need for them.

Then if we get the buyout on Ladd and end up with Parise you now have a top line of Parise, Barzal and Kane. That's much better wingers for Barzal as far as style of play is concerned and pushes the rest of our wingers down a slot, where they belong.

Evander Kane is the last player in the world we should take. He not only has off ice issues....but that extends to massive financial issues. He will need to sign another NHL contract after this one just to not file bankruptcy. His people have been shopping his contract as collateral to refinance 10s of millions of dollars in debt. Think Eddie Curry 2.0...

 

[The Real JT]

Evander Kane is the last player in the world we should take. He not only has off ice issues....but that extends to massive financial issues. He will need to sign another NHL contract after this one just to not file bankruptcy. His people have been shopping his contract as collateral to refinance 10s of millions of dollars in debt. Think Eddie Curry 2.0...

Eddy Curry. That’s a blast from the past.

I see your Eddy Curry and raise you Antoine Walker.

 

[PROMputt]

Eddy Curry. That’s a blast from the past.

I see your Eddy Curry and raise you Antoine Walker.

I ante in with Jason Bay

 

[mm11]

Evander Kane is the last player in the world we should take. He not only has off ice issues....but that extends to massive financial issues. He will need to sign another NHL contract after this one just to not file bankruptcy. His people have been shopping his contract as collateral to refinance 10s of millions of dollars in debt. Think Eddie Curry 2.0...

Yeesh, good hockey player, tough kid that has skills, wheels and plays with a chip on his shoulder but yes sounds like a guy Lou and Co probably pass on

 

[lazycop]

Casey Cizikas will be absolutely invaluable when the Isles start going deep into the playoffs. Plus, of the entire team, he's the one guy I really want to see hoist the cup.

So No.

 

[danteipp]

Based on what you read about Evander Kane online, at best he sounds like a troubled person who makes questionable decisions and, at worst, he sounds like human filth. Hard pass.

 

[PK Cronin]

Based on what you read about Evander Kane online, at best he sounds like a troubled person who makes questionable decisions and, at worst, he sounds like human filth. Hard pass.

If you watch a recent interview with him from around January or so he comes off like a total diva. Not interested in him at all.

 

[Sparksrus3]

I ante in with Jason Bay

Raise ya an Ed Whitson

 

[KrisBeKreame]

I see a lot of question marks for goaltending across the whole orginization

Varlymov
Sorokin (Not actually signed yet, does he go right into NHL?)
Griess (UFA)
Gibson (UFA, Injury problems)
Coreau (UFA, was not good)
Soderstrom (RFA, injuries, who knows what will happen)
Skarek

so that's 2 goaltenders signed next season for 4 spots. If the team signs Sorokin and put him in the NHL they will need a serious #3 in Bridgeport. Is Gibson that with his injury history? Does Soderstom get resigned? hes play 20ish games the past 3 seasons.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I am not sure I want Evander Kane around the young guys on this team. He seems like the type of player that would not be a good influence on them and therefore make this team farther away from the Cup.

 

[Tres Peleches]

I am not sure I want Evander Kane around the young guys on this team. He seems like the type of player that would not be a good influence on them and therefore make this team farther away from the Cup.

Plus He Is No Kris Versteeg, Who I Want For My New York Islanders

 

[The Real JT]

Raise ya an Ed Whitson

Played golf with him at an outing in Connecticut a couple of years ago. Ed was ok but his buddy, another ex-MLB er, was a nasty SOB who actually challenged a couple of guys to fight. The other guy left such an impression that I had to look him up later. Had a few cups of coffee in the big leagues with not much on the back of his baseball card but he was a first ballot HOF a-hole.

I talked a little baseball with Ed but I didn't have the heart to ask him about his time as a Yankee.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

I see a lot of question marks for goaltending across the whole orginization

You have a starter in Varlamov. The rest is pretty easy to fill out with journeymen and tweeners, and that's not even including Sorokin into the mix.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Love throwing names out for fun, but no way do I trade Cizikas.

Barzal-Nelson-Pageau-Zeeker is the deepest C in the division and when other teams have Crosby and Malkin or Kuz and Backstrom you need your advantage somewhere.

 

[MJF]

I see a lot of question marks for goaltending across the whole orginization

Varlymov
Sorokin (Not actually signed yet, does he go right into NHL?)
Griess (UFA)
Gibson (UFA, Injury problems)
Coreau (UFA, was not good)
Soderstrom (RFA, injuries, who knows what will happen)
Skarek

so that's 2 goaltenders signed next season for 4 spots. If the team signs Sorokin and put him in the NHL they will need a serious #3 in Bridgeport. Is Gibson that with his injury history? Does Soderstom get resigned? hes play 20ish games the past 3 seasons.

AHL goaltending can be filled with an AHL lifer. Many teams do that. In our case I’m expecting Skarek, who is only 20YO to be challenging for the #1 slot in Bridgeport. Not sure what we will do about Soderstrom due to his injuries. If he is healthy and we resign him he might split the job with Skarek in Bridgy or force him down to Worcester ECHL for more playing time.

It’s also not out of the question that Christopher Gibson could be signed to an AHL contract if he doesn’t find another organization to play for. Jared Coreau I would let walk away.

 

[CupHolders]

If you watch a recent interview with him from around January or so he comes off like a total diva. Not interested in him at all.

Is that the same interview where he mentioned something to the effect of "growing his brand?" Regardless, that one line has pretty much ended any interest of ever having him play on a "team" that I root for.

 

[SI]

Hockey trades for Nick Leddy (ABC order) to address scoring if not via free agency

1. Arizona - Phil Kessel (at least 1 m retained)
2. Chi - Saad
3. Col - Burakovsky
4. Detroit - Bertuzzi
5. Montreal - Tatar
6. Devils - Palmieri
7. Van - Virtanen
8. Vegas - R. Smith

 

[Sheva7]

Hockey trades for Nick Leddy (ABC order) to address scoring if not via free agency

1. Arizona - Phil Kessel (at least 1 m retained)
2. Chi - Saad
3. Col - Burakovsky
4. Detroit - Bertuzzi
5. Montreal - Tatar
6. Devils - Palmieri
7. Van - Virtanen
8. Vegas - R. Smith

Even if you package Leddy with a 1st rd pick (which we don't have lol) it still wouldn't be enough to get 3/4 of those guys.

 

[SI]

Even if you package Leddy with a 1st rd pick (which we don't have lol) it still wouldn't be enough to get 3/4 of those guys.

I think you are seriously undervaluing Leddy - who are the 5 players on that list are a reach?

 

[PK Cronin]

Is that the same interview where he mentioned something to the effect of "growing his brand?" Regardless, that one line has pretty much ended any interest of ever having him play on a "team" that I root for.

Yep, it's that interview. He comes off really bad to me and I wouldn't want a player that cares more about himself than the team to that level.