Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | We Lose and No Trades Are Made, We Win and No Trades Are Made

[FlameChampion]

Anyone actually know what “Letting a players camp seek a trade” even means? Like I get an agent can determine who’s interested in their client. But I doubt another team is discussing the trade details with the agent.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I actually don't think a Bouchard trade would be the worst thing in the world with Barrie being able to be had basically for free.

If you can land a Carter Hart or something like for an Evan Bouchard and get Tyson Barrie for basically nothing (Nashville would be better off paying even 50% of his salary rather than 100%) ... I would strongly consider that. A legit starting goalie who's young is somehow who is going to win you more games than an offensive specialist D who doesn't skate that well.

It makes the Oilers a better hockey team, not only now, but probably even in the future. If that isn't the point, then what exactly is?

You can then package your 2024 1st + Broberg together to get an actual defenseman.

This is exactly what Edmonton shouldn't do. They shouldn't have to give up a Bouchard to solve their goaltending issues.

Barrie had his time here, but that's over. Bouchard is doing very well under Coffey. Don't mess with it.

 

[Soundwave]

I get you just hate everything and are kind of spiraling. Barrie isn't close to Bouchard in terms of an offensive defenseman and moving Bouchard would be idiotic.


I guess, can't figure out how to make the cap work in that case (not opposed to that, just the consideration)

Are we in the business of winning hockey games or "seeing how many points Evan Bouchard can score"?

A Carter Hart is a bigger impact to this franchise long term than Evan Bouchard is IMO. Goalies like that win games and even playoff rounds, Evan Bouchards ... not really. Hart is only a year older than Bouchard.

Tyson Barrie in our system will put up 70% of the same offence anyway. We know he already has chemistry with other players here and can step in and run the PP no problem.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Anyone actually know what “Letting a players camp seek a trade” even means? Like I get an agent can determine who’s interested in their client. But I doubt another team is discussing the trade details with the agent.

It means they've granted Broberg's agent permission to make some calls and gauge other teams interest in the player. Usually theyll then talk to the GM of the team the player is on with the results of those calls, in a "Hey, I spoke with Nashville, San Jose, and Detroit and they're absolutely interested, call em up" sort of fashion.

It also usually means that the team (Edmonton in this case) isn't necessarily interested in trading the player, but that the player isn't happy with their situation.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I've always said Bouchard can be a good offensive D. People were giving me tons of grief when I said Bouchard could replace Barrie on the PP and put up a bunch of points and it would be no problem.

My issue with Bouchard is he is not very good at actual defense.

If it was on the table right now, I'd take Dobson over Bouchard and not lose a single wink of sleep over it.

You've always downplayed Bouchard and up played Barrie, just looking 2 months ago you called Bouchard a 3rd pairing d-man and last month you proposed Bouchard + 1st rd pick + 2nd rd pick + Broberg + Campbell for Barrie ($500K retained) and Carter Hart; that is a brutal trade.

Barrie even with $500K retained has zero value, he's a cap dump now.

A 1st + 2nd + Broberg is a steep and heavy price to pay to move Campbell

and

Hart for Bouchard is a massive loss of a trade, you don't move someone as talented as Bouchard for a goalie with a career 0.906 sv%.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Anyone actually know what “Letting a players camp seek a trade” even means? Like I get an agent can determine who’s interested in their client. But I doubt another team is discussing the trade details with the agent.

Probably seeing what team wants him and then the GM negotiates a trade that will help the team and player

 

[Frank the Tank]

It’s ridiculous. This shouldn’t have even leaked. Whats wrong with telling your prospect you’ll look for a trade and leave it at that, without advertising to the entire world that he wants out. Of course this would take effort and relationship building that old ass Kenny doesnt have the energy or brains for at this point.

Somebody leaked the story to Weekes, who was going to share it ASAP because he's a player friendly insider looking to establish his credibility in his role at the NHL Network. The Oilers aren't the only party with this information if Broberg's agent was given permission to speak with other teams.

 

[TheNumber4]

Let’s name all the young first round D-men that returned a 1st round pick for their team:

Sandin
Lundqvist
Hronek (2nd round pick though)

Who else do we have to make us feel better that the Oilers will assuredly get paid a 1st for their young high potential defenceman.

Somebody leaked the story to Weekes, who was going to share it ASAP because he's a player friendly insider looking to establish his credibility in his role at the NHL Network. The Oilers aren't the only party with this information if Broberg's agent was given permission to speak with other teams.

Maybe Kenny shouldn’t have given Brobergs agent permission to do HIS job. That’s one way they could have kept this under wraps and reduced the potential for leaks.

 

[Soundwave]

You've always downplayed Bouchard and up played Barrie, just looking 2 months ago you called Bouchard a 3rd pairing d-man and last month you proposed Bouchard + 1st rd pick + 2nd rd pick + Broberg + Campbell for Barrie ($500K retained) and Carter Hart; that is a brutal trade.

Barrie even with $500K retained has zero value, he's a cap dump now.

A 1st + 2nd + Broberg is a steep and heavy price to pay to move Campbell

and

Hart for Bouchard is a massive loss of a trade, you don't move someone as talented as Bouchard for a goalie with a career 0.906 sv%.

Bouchard is a bottom pairing D defensively. He is great offensively but has the benefit of also playing alongside other supernova offensive forwards.

Carter Hart has the potential to be a top 5-6 goalie in this league, he's still young and he is putting up good numbers on a untalented Flyers team. He could very easily be the franchise goalie here in the way like Demko is in Vancouver.

Can we even afford Bouchard on his next contract? Young D who put up sky high point totals tend to want 8-9 million, we already blew our wad on overpaying Nurse, where is that cap space coming from considering who else needs to be signed and considering you need a goalie at some point.

I'd rather have Barrie take a team friendly 2.75-3 million here for a couple of years than Bouchard at 8.5-9 million and Carter Hart in net instead of Skinner.

 

[9GWG9]

Err, what?

Pretty sure they drafted Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Fuhr, Anderson, Tikanen, ... I don't care how good Gretzky was, he's not winning without them around him (and he never did).

That's a text book case of slam dunk drafting.

The 80s Oilers had incredible drafting.

The 90s Oilers had terrible drafting but made up for it with great trades.

The current Oilers management is just ... well ... terrible. Not good at anything other than firing coaches and winning draft lotteries.

If you look at why and when for each it was luck.

 

[TheNumber4]

Bouchard is a bottom pairing D defensively. He is great offensively but has the benefit of also playing alongside other supernova offensive forwards.

Carter Hart has the potential to be a top 5-6 goalie in this league, he's still young and he is putting up good numbers on a untalented Flyers team. He could very easily be the franchise goalie here in the way like Demko is in Vancouver.

Can we even afford Bouchard on his next contract? Young D who put up sky high point totals tend to want 8-9 million, where is that cap space coming from considering who else needs to be signed and considering you need a goalie at some point.

You're too down on Bouch and i say this as one his most vocal detractors defensively. He does suck defensively but the offensive potential is off the charts. Whether he's the right fit for a Cup winning build remains to be seen with his defence BUT regardless you let that offence continue to uptick until he's viewed as ELITE offensively (good chance) then you make that trade for a haul when the time is right.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Anyone actually know what “Letting a players camp seek a trade” even means? Like I get an agent can determine who’s interested in their client. But I doubt another team is discussing the trade details with the agent.

Basically it's a GM saying "I'm thinking of trading you but I'm too lazy to look for a deal. You do my job for me and I'll say 'yes' if I don't hate it".

 

[Arpeggio]

Bouchard is a bottom pairing D defensively. He is great offensively but has the benefit of also playing alongside other supernova offensive forwards.

Carter Hart has the potential to be a top 5-6 goalie in this league, he's still young and he is putting up good numbers on a untalented Flyers team. He could very easily be the franchise goalie here in the way like Demko is in Vancouver.

Can we even afford Bouchard on his next contract? Young D who put up sky high point totals tend to want 8-9 million, we already blew our wad on overpaying Nurse, where is that cap space coming from considering who else needs to be signed and considering you need a goalie at some point.

I'd rather have Barrie at 3 million than Bouchard at 8.5 million and Carter Hart in net instead of Skinner.

Aren't his possession metrics pretty damn good? I don't care how bad he is in his own zone if he gets the puck moving in the right direction. He had a rough start, but he'll end up being a + player again this season by the end of the year.

Also has been really good in consecutive playoff runs now. I think you're understating how big of a downgrade Bouchard to Barrie is, especially as Barrie continues to age.

 

[Soundwave]

You're too down on Bouch and i say this as one his most vocal detractors defensively. He does suck defensively but the offensive potential is off the charts. Whether he's the right fit for a Cup winning build remains to be seen with his defence BUT regardless you let that offence continue to uptick until he's viewed as ELITE offensively (good chance) then you make that trade for a haul when the time is right.

I'm not here to make friends with the players or fanboy over them, McDavid is already here, the rest of the group I look at clinically and with zero emotion.

What wins more hockey games and has a better chance of going further in the playoffs in the longer term

A) Carter Hart @6 mill extended + Tyson Barrie on a cheap 2.75 mill-3 mill deal + 1st 2024 now being able to be spent on another D-Man upgrade

B) Evan Bouchard @8.5-9 million + having to use the 1st 2024 on a lesser than Hart goalie + having to find a good RD still

IMO it's A, all day.

Barrie will replace a big chunk of Bouchard's offence for a few more years, Hart gives you a franchise tier goalie who is still young, and now that 1st could land another defenceman that can help the team as well.

 

[joestevens29]

It means they've granted Broberg's agent permission to make some calls and gauge other teams interest in the player. Usually theyll then talk to the GM of the team the player is on with the results of those calls, in a "Hey, I spoke with Nashville, San Jose, and Detroit and they're absolutely interested, call em up" sort of fashion.

It also usually means that the team (Edmonton in this case) isn't necessarily interested in trading the player, but that the player isn't happy with their situation.

Which is still kind of odd as there use to be a group text/email that GM's had that would pretty much find out this information rather quickly.

I think it's more now Holland told his agent there isn't a good enough trade out there for Broberg so you as the agent better try sell your player to these teams if you want a deal.

 

[Soundwave]

Aren't his possession metrics pretty damn good? I don't care how bad he is in his own zone if he gets the puck moving in the right direction. He had a rough start, but he'll end up being a + player again this season by the end of the year.

Also has been really good in consecutive playoff runs now. I think you're understating how big of a downgrade Bouchard to Barrie is, especially as Barrie continues to age.

Bouchard was terrible defensively in the playoffs last season, you need to stop lying to yourself.

"Lots of points on the powerplay" doesn't mean you played well defensively, -4 in 12 games is bad.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Maybe Kenny shouldn’t have given Brobergs agent permission to do HIS job. That’s one way they could have kept this under wraps and reduced the potential for leaks.

Wasn't Holland letting Kane's agent do the same thing the summer of 2022 considered a good move?

 

[Soundwave]

Which is still kind of odd as there use to be a group text/email that GM's had that would pretty much find out this information rather quickly.

I think it's more now Holland told his agent there isn't a good enough trade out there for Broberg so you as the agent better try sell your player to these teams if you want a deal.

I mean Kenny works so hard with all the trades he does, why not delegate on this one too.

 

[belair]

Marino and Kesselring late round picks that actually turn out. Don’t want to play for Oilers.

Broberg first round pick busts out.

Just Oilers things.

The recurring theme is that all of them are defenseman.

 

[Arpeggio]

Bouchard was terrible defensively in the playoffs last season, you need to stop lying to yourself.

"Lots of points on the powerplay" doesn't mean you played well defensively, -4 in 12 games is bad.

I don't see Tyson Barrie scoring 26 points in 28 playoff games either, and he had the opportunity to do it with basically the same powerplay unit.

Carter Hart could be a franchise goalie, or he could go back to being worse than Skinner was last year, just like he was the previous three seasons.

 

[Soundwave]

I don't see Tyson Barrie scoring 26 points in 28 playoff games either, and he had the opportunity to do it with basically the same powerplay unit.

Carter Hart could be a franchise goalie, or he could go back to being worse than Skinner was last year, just like he was the previous three seasons.

He actually has talent that Skinner doesn't have and can move laterally.

Most people in the NHL know he's going to be a top goalie, he's just stuck on a bad team.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm not here to make friends with the players or fanboy over them, McDavid is already here, the rest of the group I look at clinically and with zero emotion.

What wins more hockey games and has a better chance of going further in the playoffs in the longer term

A) Carter Hart + Tyson Barrie on a cheap 2.75 mill-3 mill deal + 1st 2024 now being able to be spent on another D-Man upgrade

B) Evan Bouchard @8.5-9 million + having to use the 1st 2024 on a lesser than Hart goalie + having to find a good RD still

IMO it's A, all day.

Barrie will replace a big chunk of Bouchard's offence for a few more years, Hart gives you a franchise tier goalie who is still young, and now that 1st could land another defenceman that can help the team as well.

Good to see that Tyson Barrie is on that Ken Holland aging curve, still going to be a top 4 defenceman at 34+ years of age. He's already getting healthy scratched by the defenceman factory that is Nashville.

Trading Bouchard is stupid.

and if -4 in 12 games is bad, I can't wait to hear what you think of Jamie Oleksiak, Jared Spurgeon, Dougie Hamilton and Esa Lindell, then. Plus-minus doesn't tell you a goddamn thing about how a player is performing individually.

He actually has talent that Skinner doesn't have and can move laterally.

Most people in the NHL know he's going to be a top goalie, he's just stuck on a bad team.

He's not getting a hell of a lot more help with a top six with Nurse, Ceci, and Barrie in it

 

[brentashton]

Which is still kind of odd as there use to be a group text/email that GM's had that would pretty much find out this information rather quickly.

I think it's more now Holland told his agent there isn't a good enough trade out there for Broberg so you as the agent better try sell your player to these teams if you want a deal.

Sometimes it also means that the player has already been shopped around the entire league. The deals to be had are crap or non existent and this is a way of telling the agent and player that he isn’t worth much, so don’t piss in the pool when you keep getting sat, because you just aren’t valuable to us or other teams, at all, right now.

 

[Soundwave]

Good to see that Tyson Barrie is on that Ken Holland aging curve, still going to be a top 4 defenceman at 34+ years of age.

Trading Bouchard is stupid.

and if -4 in 12 games is bad, I can't wait to hear what you think of Jamie Oleksiak, Jared Spurgeon, Dougie Hamilton and Esa Lindell, then. Plus-minus doesn't tell you a goddamn thing about how a player is performing individually.


He's not getting a hell of a lot more help with a top six with Nurse, Ceci, and Barrie in it

I watched every minute of every playoff game, Bouchard was crap defensively.

Great on the PP, but a total non-factor other than a liability defensively outside of that.

The plus minus just reflects that.

In the longer term, can we even keep this player? Yes he puts up point totals, but you're also going to pay dearly for that. His next extension which isn't far off will start with an 8, quite possibly a 9.

Where are you getting the money to pay him that and extend Draisaitl, AND find money for a legit starting goalie and upgrade the D?

If you can sell high on him now and get a young franchise goalie and then get a half decent offensive D for nothing in Barrie who already fits well with the group, it should be considered IMO.

 

[Arpeggio]

He actually has talent that Skinner doesn't have and can move laterally.

Most people in the NHL know he's going to be a top goalie, he's just stuck on a bad team.

Most people in the NHL also know that a 24 year old defenceman who is a ppg in the playoffs and might score 70 points this year is someone worth hanging on to.