Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Movie Poster Edition IV- "Missing in Action"

[Arpeggio]

This isnt true. Campbell is 17-8-4 this season. Even with his abysmal save percentage he is winning games. I'm still waiting for a counter argument that contradicts this.

Skinner on the other hand has played much better but still losing games at a higher rate with a 15-12-4 record. He hasnt received the run support and you can look at the individual games. You have to look at it game by game for Skinner. Last game he came in relief, the game was 4-4 and Edmonton outshot Columbus 23-6. Skinner was forced to make a diving save on the 5th goal and the 6th goal was a 2 on 1 from a bad pinch from Ceci. Tonight the first two goals the guy was left alone in front and the 3rd one was a lucky poke move. Our defence is clearly the issue.

I think Campbell's gotten really lucky with his record, and that if you could magically switch goalies for the games they have started, Skinner would have a better record than Campbell in those games.

I think it's fairly conservative to say that Campbell has straight up cost the Oilers at least three wins this year. That's the division lead right there. The Oilers are winning because they don't give up that many chances and have an overwhelming offence, despite receiving below average goaltending.

If Skinner was in for the Columbus game, maybe instead of that being the 5th and 6th goal, it's the 3rd and 4th goal? Campbell just isn't competitive right now, he either needs to play better or you can't keep throwing him out there.

 

[ujju2]

And sent Nino Niederreiter to the Jets earlier in the weekend.

Somehow I completely missed that Neiderreiter was a Predator haha.

 

[backhandsauce]

Kenny always has a few moves up his sleeve and it tight lipped. No insider knew about his moves the last few years as the deadline.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Holland won’t trade Campbell this season, but if he costs us in the playoffs I can see him moving on in the summer/by next deadline

You think he would? Not easy to do so soon after signing him but I’d respect it a lot if he bit the bullet. Skinner will be our #1 for years, even if Campbell was doing ok we need that 5 mil.

 

[CupofOil]

They just traded Jeannot. Sounds like they're selling.

I don't think trading Jeannot means they are full on seller, he was barely a factor this season, and they clearly got an offer that they couldn't refuse.

Trading Ekholm would be a different beast altogether, I don't see it happening unless Holland vastly overpays.

 

[McTonyBrar]

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[McDoused]

I think Campbell's gotten really lucky with his record, and that if you could magically switch goalies for the games they have started, Skinner would have a better record than Campbell in those games.

I think it's fairly conservative to say that Campbell has straight up cost the Oilers at least three wins this year. That's the division lead right there. The Oilers are winning because they don't give up that many chances and have an overwhelming offence, despite receiving below average goaltending.

Absolutely he has been lucky. Winning games with a sub 900 save percentage is not sustainable. Even if he cost us some games this year (which most goalies do over the course of a 82 game season) it's not like hes leaving a whole lot of points off the board. Dont get me wrong hes been bad this year but expecting him to be 21-4-4 instead of 17-8-4 is ridiculous. We lost a lot more points with Skinner in net. So is the problem Skinner? I don't think so.

 

[McTonyBrar]

They just traded Jeannot. Sounds like they're selling.

and NN

 

[Arpeggio]

Absolutely he has been lucky. Winning games with a sub 900 save percentage is not sustainable. Even if he cost us some games this year (which most goalies do over the course of a 82 game season) it's not like hes leaving a whole lot of points off the board. Dont get me wrong hes been bad this year but expecting him to be 21-4-4 instead of 17-8-4 is ridiculous. We lost a lot more points with Skinner in net. So is the problem Skinner? I don't think so.

I'm not expecting him to go 21-4-4 going into the year, but given the run support he's gotten, do I believe an average starting goaltender given those same games could've gone 21-4-4? Absolutely. Just like if Campbell had started Skinner's games, he likely would've had a significantly worse record than Skinner.

 

[Canovin]

Kenny always has a few moves up his sleeve and it tight lipped. No insider knew about his moves the last few years as the deadline.

Holland with the tight lips? I'm sure Holland has been sleeping with his mouth open

 

[McDoused]

I'm not expecting him to go 21-4-4 going into the year, but given the run support he's gotten, do I believe an average starting goaltender given those same games could've gone 21-4-4? Absolutely. Just like if Campbell had started Skinner's games, he likely would've had a significantly worse record than Skinner.

This is all conjecture. It literally hasnt mattered that Campbell has been bad this season when it comes to points. Weve lost more points when Skinner was in net and thats just a fact. I get that it doesnt support your narrative but you have to stop blaming Campbell for where the Oilers are in the standings because it's just not true. Do we want Campbell to stop sucking absolutely but we have other problems to solve that cost us points in the standings.

 

[McTonyBrar]

 

[iCanada]

I don't get Holland. Dude over the years acquired like:

Marian Hossa

Brendan Shanahan

Igor Larionov

Wendel Clark

Chris Chelios

Dominik Hasek

Todd Bertuzzi


Yet for some reason he seems so scared to make a trade. I don't get it.

 

[Arpeggio]

This is all conjecture. It literally hasnt mattered that Campbell has been bad this season when it comes to points. Weve lost more points when Skinner was in net and thats just a fact. I get that it doesnt support your narrative but you have to stop blaming Campbell for where the Oilers are in the standings because it's just not true. Do we want Campbell to stop sucking absolutely but we have other problems to solve that cost us points in the standings.

It does matter, he has still cost the Oilers points due to his below average goaltending. If you just gave Skinner all of Campbell's games this season (assuming fatigue isn't an issue and Skinner is just going to maintain his ~.910 sv%), the Oilers would have more points. That's a fact.

I'm not even blaming Campbell, I like him. He's been horrendous. I'm just don't think the team is as bad defensively as people think, because the numbers just don't support it, outside of the goaltending.

 

[Oilhawks]

We'll see.

 

[McIce Whole]

Swap Kulak and Ceci with 2 legit top 4 dmen and this team would be feasting. Just thought of Ekholm and say someone like Parayko instead of Kulak and Ceci would make this team infinitely better.

Unfortunately we blew our cap space paying Nurse and Campbell a combined 14+ million and can’t add the pieces necessary to win

 

[Magnum23]

I think Campbell's gotten really lucky with his record, and that if you could magically switch goalies for the games they have started, Skinner would have a better record than Campbell in those games.

I think it's fairly conservative to say that Campbell has straight up cost the Oilers at least three wins this year. That's the division lead right there. The Oilers are winning because they don't give up that many chances and have an overwhelming offence, despite receiving below average goaltending.

If Skinner was in for the Columbus game, maybe instead of that being the 5th and 6th goal, it's the 3rd and 4th goal? Campbell just isn't competitive right now, he either needs to play better or you can't keep throwing him out there.

I think Campell cost Edmonton around 6-8 tbh. Can recall 5 bad ones off the top of my head. Especially that seasoner opened vs Calgary

 

[McIce Whole]

I don't get Holland. Dude over the years acquired like:

Marian Hossa

Brendan Shanahan

Igor Larionov

Wendel Clark

Chris Chelios

Dominik Hasek

Todd Bertuzzi


Yet for some reason he seems so scared to make a trade. I don't get it.

He operated without a cap for a long time. Easier to make those moves when you don’t have any restrictions. Once he had to get creative and learn to manage the cap, he has been a failure of a GM.

 

[Magnum23]

Swap Kulak and Ceci with 2 legit top 4 dmen and this team would be feasting. Just thought of Ekholm and say someone like Parayko instead of Kulak and Ceci would make this team infinitely better.

Unfortunately we blew our cap space paying Nurse and Campbell a combined 14+ million and can’t add the pieces necessary to win

Ya everyone keeps saying Barrie or Bouchard has to go but honestly if we can replace find legit upgrades for Ceci and Kulak. Ceci especially, our d isn’t that bad.

Also adding a steady #3LHD to shelter Broberg would help as well

 

[Spawn]

I don't get Holland. Dude over the years acquired like:

Marian Hossa

Brendan Shanahan

Igor Larionov

Wendel Clark

Chris Chelios

Dominik Hasek

Todd Bertuzzi


Yet for some reason he seems so scared to make a trade. I don't get it.

So it’s been more than 15 years since he has made a significant deadline addition. What’s not to get?

 

[McIce Whole]

Ya everyone keeps saying Barrie or Bouchard has to go but honestly if we can replace find legit upgrades for Ceci and Kulak. Ceci especially, our d isn’t that bad.

Also adding a steady #3LHD to shelter Broberg would help as well

I was pleasantly surprised with Ceci last year. Not sure what happened to him this year. Same with Kulak. They both declined quite a bit this year.

 

[RandomGuy79]

We gotta go all in, give up whatever futures we have to.

No one knows what next year holds.

I don't care if we have to give up Holloway, 5 1st round picks, Bourgault, Broberg, or whoever.

If we aren't willing to go all in on a year like this, what are we even waiting for?

 

[belair]

If a team comes to you and offers an entire draft worth of picks for a 15 point player, you take it

They don't necessarily have to be selling

They're selling.

 

[MessierII]

I don't buy it, they already give up the second least high danger scoring chances in the league

Do you really believe that?

 

[iCanada]

So it’s been more than 15 years since he has made a significant deadline addition. What’s not to get?

Hossa was in 2009, that's 14 years.