Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg Wants Out, Holland Sheds a Tear and Questions His Life Decisions While Making $13,698 a Day

[Heavy Dee]

Broberg can f*** right off now as far as I’m concerned. Agent appears to be trying to play Hollands hand here. Send him to the AHL where he can try not to suck and pull Benny Hill moves stepping on sticks and get the whiny failure off the team. We don’t need any cancers in the locker room.

This was funny.

 

[GOilers88]

I wonder if Arizona is still interested from last year (chychrun rumors). Hayton would be interesting.

I could also see him circling back to Detroit to grad Rasmussen.

Cody Glass might also be a target. Holland might target a big right handed center although Nashville is apparently shopping Barrie and Fabbro so they would have to move first.

Shit, if Fabbro is up make another deal with the Preds and go after him, lol.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Delete. See that Spector's tweets been posted

 

[GhostfaceWu]

They would rather give Campbell another look than give a player they drafted at least a 5 game stretch of continuous games to actually see what he is. Can't decypher what he is when you play him under 10 minutes a game every sixth game.

 

[McDoused]

Shit, if Fabbro is up make another deal with the Preds and go after him, lol.

He makes too much.

We might be able to get Trenin at 50% though?

 

[TheNumber4]

That's definitely out of character for Bouwmeester. His lack of physical play was a criticism of his substantive game going back to junior and carried over to the NHL. He was basically a new age positional defender before this shift in style happened at the NHL level. He came of age when big d-men were expected to be tough and physical. He did become an elite shutdown defender who excelled with his skating and positional defending. Very much a modern era style defenseman.

Yep, we see Broberg's development differently. He's been a three time U20 Team Sweden roster player which is quite rare that included wearing A and C. Good pedigree and clearly valued by their national team management and coaching. He was excellent at the AHL level with big minutes all situational play including PP. His production numbers and situational play as an age 20/21 player were strong as has his goal share at that level. The high end offensive game though wasn't going to translate to NHL. He's shown flashes at NHL of the future with several 20 minute games notable in Vegas and Calgary but gaps in his physical strength and learning curve to play at apex level NHL game speed and physicality. All are pretty common growth areas for green banana d-men.

He's clearly at a crossroads and owns accountability and responsibility for not meeting the opportunity window in Edmonton. However I also hold the Oilers organization more responsible than I would normally for letting their top prospect wither and die on the vine with extended press box and 5to 8 minute games. No one thrives under those situations. Most certainly green banana defensemen don't.

Hm maybe my impression of Bouwmeester is skewed by the BoA battles which is the majority of the games I seen in him. But I always thought he had a mean edge to him, he did it in a sneaky way though.

I get the resume with Broberg and it is apparent that Broberg was thrust into a leadership role for their junior team. I didn’t like his showing at the tournament though, looked to be way over his head and maybe the Swedish national managers gave him too much to chew. In the SHL the shine seemed to be dulling fast over there too, but that could just be their rep of slow playoff prospects. In any case, agree to disagree in the Broberg, I respect your opinion though and see where you are coming from, we just don’t agree.

 

[cvaicunas]

wE doN'T nEEd MuR sCoRInG FerWARds

Broberg for Kostin @50% would be funny.

I don't see the Wings wanting to do that. Ghost is the current PP specialist on D, ASP playing well in his D+1 in the SHL is the heir apparent for that role. They have Ed, Johansson, and Wallinder in the minors progressing towards the NHL. He sure does not fit a need.

 

[Tarus]

They would rather give Campbell another look than give a player they drafted at least a 5 game stretch of continuous games to actually see what he is. Can't decypher what he is when you play him under 10 minutes a game every sixth game.

I think the missing link a lot of times when you see players that never seem to be able to get opportunities tends to be because there are players that are terrible in practices. If they're slow and suck at drills in practice, the coach has very little incentive to want to give them any significant ice time in games.

We as fans just see the games themselves, which is only a portion of the time the coaching staff is working with these guys.

 

[Blueston]

Would Broberg need to clear waivers to go to the AHL?

according to capfriendly, he is exempt still this season.

 

[FlameChampion]

I think the missing link a lot of times when you see players that never seem to be able to get opportunities tends to be because there are players that are terrible in practices. If they're slow and suck at drills in practice, the coach has very little incentive to want to give them any significant ice time in games.

We as fans just see the games themselves, which is only a portion of the time the coaching staff is working with these guys.

I don’t know if its true but I believe there were rumours last year that Broberg looked great in practice. But then he could never translate it to game.

 

[TheNumber4]

Broberg can f*** right off now as far as I’m concerned. Agent appears to be trying to play Hollands hand here. Send him to the AHL where he can try not to suck and pull Benny Hill moves stepping on sticks and get the whiny failure off the team. We don’t need any cancers in the locker room.

So let me get this right, Spec once again is shitting on the Oilers every chance he gets. This time for keeping Broberg up as a 7D instead of giving him minutes in the AHL, I assume is his beef. And then in the same tweet he implies that we’re 1 injury from needing Broberg to be exactly in the spot were putting him in as a 7D. We spent a f***in 7OA on this guy, are we not allowed to use him in a situation that fits with the organizations needs?

Now if he is criticizing the Oilers for not giving him NHL minutes, then he should probably look at the all the shit he tweeted about Pool not earning it.

This guys a f***in troll, his bros in Toronto at sportsnet must have done quite the job on him to turn him against the Oilers, an organization he writes books about.

 

[gordonhught]

He makes too much.

We might be able to get Trenin at 50% though?

I have time for Trenin. Knock you on your ass he will.

 

[TB12]

I thought you guys were talking about RNH for a second.

Oh come on.

Nuge's kid is nowhere near old enough to be AGM...yet.

 

[TB12]

I don’t know if its true but I believe there were rumours last year that Broberg looked great in practice. But then he could never translate it to game.

That was me that said that last year. My buddy in the org said they were crazy impressed with him in practice and how they just believed it was a lack of confidence as to why he couldn't bring the same to games.

Fast forward a year and starting to think the practice hype was overstated.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Hm maybe my impression of Bouwmeester is skewed by the BoA battles which is the majority of the games I seen in him. But I always thought he had a mean edge to him, he did it in a sneaky way though.

I get the resume with Broberg and it is apparent that Broberg was thrust into a leadership role for their junior team. I didn’t like his showing at the tournament though, looked to be way over his head and maybe the Swedish national managers gave him too much to chew. In the SHL the shine seemed to be dulling fast over there too, but that could just be their rep of slow playoff prospects. In any case, agree to disagree in the Broberg, I respect your opinion though and see where you are coming from, we just don’t agree.

Nope, Bouwmeester never played with any consistent edge. Surprising quiet player especially when he was in Calgary and asserted himself in St. Louis which was able to position him within and surround him with a deep and good d-corp.

Broberg's final U20 tournament in Edmonton was pretty dominant but derailed with injury. The Swedish team leadership trusted in the player's ability and mental maturity to earn letters in two U20 tournaments which is pretty rare for that country. His decision to play pro in Sweden as an underage was clearly a mistake in hindsight. His toi was cut when his pro team focused on winning traded for two older defensemen (reinforced in a recent Matheson article I posted a link to). That's the risk of playing in an adult pro league and on a non-affiliated team with priority to win versus developing a teenage NHL draft pick. Regardless, he had an excellent first year North American pro season in Bakersfield playing 22+ minutes; playing both PP and PK; and earning an NHL injury call-up within a month of his first games on this continent.

Unfortunately he's spinning his wheels in a systemic failed organization that's had to play whack-a-mole to fix significant roster holes in all positions following Chiarelli's carpet bombing exit. The patchwork defense corp, required deals for Kulak and Ekholm to give it even remotely a competent NHL level defense corp while this team's super elite forwards rocketed into their peak years. It set back Broberg's development and he didn't do enough to get consistent ice-time on the whacky 7-11 system and now with the new coach trying to revive a corpse team back into playoff contention.

Appreciate your point of view and agree to respect differences in our opinions.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Broberg needs to somewhere else and thrive. He literally had all of what made him a top prospect coached out of him by our brain dead coaching staff and player development team. We have never seen him ONCE utilize his incredible skating (which he was touted as being the best skater in his draft class), and he's was clearly nerfed by woody and co to be a passive no risk klefbom-lite, when he was drafted to be a pk subban puck carrier. That, and the fact we have mcd that demand the puck, isn't really the best place for a puck carrying dman.

We have nobody to blame but ourselves, as we tried to turn him into a bottom pairing dman, and he didnt even get a chance to utliize his dynamic ability. We cucked his development and now we have an underperforming play it safe DFD. Tbf, he needed to perform better in the ice time he got, but I truly believe we nerfed him to fit a mold of a utility dman.

GGs. Our track record of terrible player development and drafting strikes again. I have no doubt that Broberg will become a stud top 4 dman somewhere else, given time, if he's given the opportunity to go back to his roots.

 

[McDNicks17]

Broberg needs to somewhere else and thrive. He literally had all of what made him a top prospect coached out of him by our brain dead coaching staff and player development team. We have never seen him ONCE utilize his incredible skating (which he was touted as being the best skater in his draft class), and he's was clearly nerfed by woody and co to be a passive no risk klefbom-lite, when he was drafted to be a pk subban puck carrier. That, and the fact we have mcd that demand the puck, isn't really the best place for a puck carrying dman.

We have nobody to blame but ourselves, as we tried to turn him into a bottom pairing dman, and he didnt even get a chance to utliize his dynamic ability. We cucked his development and now we have an underperforming play it safe DFD. Tbf, he needed to perform better in the ice time he got, but I truly believe we nerfed him to fit a mold of a utility dman.

GGs. Our track record of terrible player development and drafting strikes again. I have no doubt that Broberg will become a stud top 4 dman somewhere else, given time, if he's given the opportunity to go back to his roots.

I'd say that has far more to do with him just not having the hockey sense to use it.

He tries to use his skating, but he skates into dead ends because he has no idea how to play without the time and space of the big ice.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

I'd say that has far more to do with him just not having the hockey sense to use it.

He tries to use his skating, but he skates into dead ends because he has no idea how to play without the time and space of the big ice.

He's never been given a real chance at this level. You see how better our breakout is now compared to previous years. The mandate was get rid of the puck off the boards as soon as you get it, don't make a play with the puck. Do that or get it into the hands of mcd as soon as possible because he is the puck carrier.

You even have dmen coming out the past few days saying the biggest difference between the new coaching staff and old was that they are actually being encouraged to make plays with the puck. He needed a chance to fail while being given rope to be dynamic, but that never happened.

So it's pretty indicative that our old coaching staff had no idea how to develop him, never prioritized it as an org, and here we are. Now they are finally thriving and our top d prospect is the one to pay the price for it.

 

[TheNumber4]

To revisit the Duke trade Bryan brought up earlier. I wonder if something like this could work:

Blackwood 2.35Mx1
Duclair 3Mx1

For:

Campbell 5Mx4
Ceci 3.25Mx2
Bourgault (Former 1st)
Broberg (Former 1st)
3rd 2024

Sharks can flip a retained Ceci at next year's deadline for more futures. And strengthen their sparse prospects pipeline. They get a tank commander in Campbell who maybe puts it all together finally in a low pressure American environment. I'd be willing to upgrade our 3rd to like a 2025 1st if needed.

Oilers get a Top 6 RWer with proven playoff production and fits the speedy build of this team. An unknown quantity in Blackwood that should be able to give Skinner the some games off while also having some potential to be a starter himself. We'd save 2.9M on the Cap this year to shop for a Ceci replacement (hmm that's not very much though). Frees up 8.25M next year though.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

He's never been given a real chance at this level. You see how better our breakout is now compared to previous years. The mandate was get rid of the puck off the boards as soon as you get it, don't make a play with the puck. Do that or get it into the hands of mcd as soon as possible because he is the puck carrier.

You even have dmen coming out the past few days saying the biggest difference between the new coaching staff and old was that they are actually being encouraged to make plays with the puck. He needed a chance to fail while being given rope to be dynamic, but that never happened.

So it's pretty indicative that our old coaching staff had no idea how to develop him, never prioritized it as an org, and here we are. Now they are finally thriving and our top d prospect is the one to pay the price for it.

100%

The guy has played 79 games and people want to judge him. Nurse was thought to never be better than a #4 dman after his first few years. We won't know what type of Dman he is for 3+ more years. The problem we have now is that we're at the cup or bust stage and no longer in a position to develop a young dman. This is why drafting dmen at the start of a rebuild is absolutely paramount. Instead we wasted picks on forwards because they were BPA at the time. They should have traded him way earlier when he had more value as he was never going to get the minutes here. Teams that win cups almost never win with a rookie dman getting regular minutes unless your name is Cale Makar.

 

[oil Leaks]

Broberg probably gonna get moved for like Krebs. A nothing - nothing trade

 

[Bryanbryoil]

To revisit the Duke trade Bryan brought up earlier. I wonder if something like this could work:

Blackwood 2.35Mx1
Duclair 3Mx1

For:

Campbell 5Mx4
Ceci 3.25Mx2
Bourgault (Former 1st)
Broberg (Former 1st)
3rd 2024

Sharks can flip a retained Ceci at next year's deadline for more futures. And strengthen their sparse prospects pipeline. They get a tank commander in Campbell who maybe puts it all together finally in a low pressure American environment. I'd be willing to upgrade our 3rd to like a 2025 1st if needed.

Oilers get a Top 6 RWer with proven playoff production and fits the speedy build of this team. An unknown quantity in Blackwood that should be able to give Skinner the some games off while also having some potential to be a starter himself. We'd save 2.9M on the Cap this year to shop for a Ceci replacement (hmm that's not very much though). Frees up 8.25M next year though.

Who fills Ceci's role this season? IMO Ceci stays unless he is moved out as part of a deal for a better defenseman.

 

[soothsayer]

100%

The guy has played 79 games and people want to judge him. Nurse was thought to never be better than a #4 dman after his first few years. We won't know what type of Dman he is for 3+ more years. The problem we have now is that we're at the cup or bust stage and no longer in a position to develop a young dman. This is why drafting dmen at the start of a rebuild is absolutely paramount. Instead we wasted picks on forwards because they were BPA at the time. They should have traded him way earlier when he had more value as he was never going to get the minutes here. Teams that win cups almost never win with a rookie dman getting regular minutes unless your name is Cale Makar.

If you don't know what your 8th overall defenseman is until he's 25+, you've answered your question of what he is.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

If you don't know what your 8th overall defenseman is until he's 25+, you've answered your question of what he is.

That's my point

 

[TheNumber4]

Broberg needs to somewhere else and thrive. He literally had all of what made him a top prospect coached out of him by our brain dead coaching staff and player development team. We have never seen him ONCE utilize his incredible skating (which he was touted as being the best skater in his draft class), and he's was clearly nerfed by woody and co to be a passive no risk klefbom-lite, when he was drafted to be a pk subban puck carrier. That, and the fact we have mcd that demand the puck, isn't really the best place for a puck carrying dman.

We have nobody to blame but ourselves, as we tried to turn him into a bottom pairing dman, and he didnt even get a chance to utliize his dynamic ability. We cucked his development and now we have an underperforming play it safe DFD. Tbf, he needed to perform better in the ice time he got, but I truly believe we nerfed him to fit a mold of a utility dman.

GGs. Our track record of terrible player development and drafting strikes again. I have no doubt that Broberg will become a stud top 4 dman somewhere else, given time, if he's given the opportunity to go back to his roots.

Before Broberg even put on an Oilers or Condors jersey his "dynamic ability" was in the dumps. He had one tournament where he looked dynamic and dominant (but also clumsy if you really looked atleast to my eye) and then followed it up with 2 more tournaments where he looked mediocre and then followed it up with time in Swedish League where he looked mediocre.