Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | 21 Man Roster Edition

[McShogun99]

It may very well work out that way.

The real disaster would be missing the playoffs. Kane's absence for even three months should not cause that to happen. Once they get through the rest of November the schedule for December and January is actually much easier.

The ability to use Kane's LTIR to fill out the roster should compensate slightly for his loss. The big question is does anyone step up in Kane's absence. Guys like Yamamoto, Foegele and JP can really make a statement towards staying with the team if they can do that. If they can't, then they pretty much seal their fate as far as being an Oiler long term is concerned. It doesn't even have to be the same guy all the time.

With how weak the Pacific is looking I'd like to think we finish in the top 3 even with a few major injuries.

 

[FlameChampion]

It may very well work out that way.

The real disaster would be missing the playoffs. Kane's absence for even three months should not cause that to happen. Once they get through the rest of November the schedule for December and January is actually much easier.

The ability to use Kane's LTIR to fill out the roster should compensate slightly for his loss. The big question is does anyone step up in Kane's absence. Guys like Yamamoto, Foegele and JP can really make a statement towards staying with the team if they can do that. If they can't, then they pretty much seal their fate as far as being an Oiler long term is concerned. It doesn't even have to be the same guy all the time.

The good news is that at least we are replacing Kane with an actual NHL player (Hopefully) in Janmark.

But I agree, the team really needs Yamamoto, JP and Foegele to step up their game while Kane is gone. If they cant, Holland needs to move on from them.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I think its going to be more like:

RNH/Hyman - McDavid - JP
Hyman/RNH - Draisaitl - Yama
Foegele - McLeod - Janmark
Kostin - Holloway - Ryan
Shore/Benson

You’re probably right, but I would prefer to keep the third line from yesterday intact and just move up Holloway. Not sure Woodcroft is confident enough in his defensive abilities yet though.

The more interesting top 6 configuration could be:

Holloway - McDavid - Draisaitl
Hyman - RNH - Puljujarvi

 

[Aerchon]

Yeah depending on how long he's out (hopefully not long honestly) he could be an internal deadline add.


I know he's been absolute trash this year, but I think I would call about ROR, because I think he adds the right things to this group. Or Mikkola on the blueline, soon to be a UFA.

ROR has really fallen off the last 2 years. At a glance you might not think so but he was pretty bad for most of last year and while i have not watched St Louis much this year I am assuming his play has been a big reason for their terrible start. He is a player that typically starts slow and takes a long time getting up to speed. Now that he is older its even longer and I am not sure you want him on your team period moving forward. He isnt "that" old but just a edumacatud guess he might well be washed up as soon as this year.

 

[SwedishFire]

Now people want to move Pulju, Yamo and Broberg? Should have moved them when they had value

If you chose between pulju yama and fogele, I would trade yamamoto. Having such a player that swings that much in level of play, is nothing for a top6 for a contender.

Pulju is sad if hes not top 6 problem is - his lack of puckhandling abillitys keeo him out of that, other areas is great - he could be a very good defensive specialist.
Fogele is a big body, thr cap is not thatterrible.

Trade chart right now;
1 yam
2 Fogele
3 Pulju

Disnt belive this in the beginning of the season, but having a player like yamamoto playing great and scoring in bunches is awful for top 6.
Dont like MacLeod in top 6, he's here to create depth. Finally that 3C is found, and folks want to change it.

McDavid, Leon, Nuge, Hyman, Kane, Fogele could be top 6.
Järnmark MacLeod Pulju could be a decent 3rd line.
4th line - Shore, Ryan and some other happy guy that show that he wants a roosterspot. Take Benson to really push holloway to want to be inside the team.
Benson Shore Ryan is not fiesty at all though.
No way a point per game player in AHL as Järnmark should be out for Yamamoto right now.
You got to send Yamamoto to AHL for a while.

 

[Kaptah2]

We should look into trading Yamamoto for Kasperi Kapanen. Identical contract situation, Kasperi more proven, less injury prone and has more upside. Now outside Penguins forward lines. An ex-Leaf, so he should fit right into our locker room.

 

[SwedishFire]

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This is the template you aim for moving forward. Not all holes are going to be filled immediately, but you can make some traction in the short term by waiving Foegele, Yamamoto or Puljujarvi and seeing if there are any desparate teams out there willing to take a chance on any of these players.

Top 6: Draisaitl, Kane, Hyman, Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid - 1 spot to fill
Third line: Holloway, McLeod, One of Puljujarvi/Yamamoto
Fourth line: Ryan, Janmark, Shore, depth guy

Left defense: Nurse, Kulak - 1 spot to fill
Right defense: Ceci, Bouchard, Barrie

Goalie: Campbell, Skinner

So ultimately, you're left with:

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - Draisaitl - X
Holloway - McLeod - Puljujarvi
Janmark - Ryan - X (Kostin?)
Shore

Nurse - Ceci
X - Bouchard
Kulak - Barrie

Campbell
Skinner

Need to get rid of Foegele & Yamamoto, and acquire a top 4D & middle-6 winger with the resulting cap space.

In the offseason you can trade Barrie and acquire a better defensive player on RD.

Foegele + Yamo out is 5.85M - replace that with a Gavrikov or Soucy and a 3 million dollar winger. Spend the picks to do it. Now is the time.

Interresting. I think if we build the team backwards, it would be great. Like creating a perfect 4th line, then 3rd line, then 2nd line, last a 1st line. It gets more eminent that depth may not be the problem, its top6 missing a winger, and some players has to go a peghole to high in the lineup, to fill in the blank for the player that filled out the blank above.

I would go for a energetic 4th line
Fogele Shore Ryan

A defensive smart 3rd line
Järnmark MacLeod Puljujärvi

A great 2nd line
Kane Leon .... Benson??? Holloway?????

A 1st line
Nuge McDavid Hyman

Benson in top 6?
Oilers need a top6er, yams is not the answer.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

We should look into trading Yamamoto for Kasperi Kapanen. Identical contract situation, Kasperi more proven, less injury prone and has more upside. Now outside Penguins forward lines. An ex-Leaf, so he should fit right into our locker room.

His offensive totals don't leave me assuming he can play in the top-6. Yamo can't right now either, but I don't know he's the answer there. I do like the player.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Yeah depending on how long he's out (hopefully not long honestly) he could be an internal deadline add.


I know he's been absolute trash this year, but I think I would call about ROR, because I think he adds the right things to this group. Or Mikkola on the blueline, soon to be a UFA.

ROR's 7.5 million dollar price tag and position makes him a non option for this team. The priority is defense, defense, wingers, goalies if Campbell/Skinner fall off, then more defense. I do have time for Mikkola though.

Problem is when Kane comes back that pushes us over the cap unless significant dollars go out with that trade.

Pretty obvious they are trying to pump and dump PJ at this point with him getting the prime McD minutes so that could work with Barbashev I guess.

Don’t know enough about his game to comment on the trade though. Holland has legendary patience so will be interesting to see how he handles this which will probably depend on how the team handles Kanes absence.



Perhaps Kane can’t even come back till Playoff game 1? Would be a shame to use the Tampa Bay / Kucherov over the cap playoff excuse but I’m sure Bettman would find a way to block it.

Tampa was able to fake Kucherov's injury timeline to circumvent the cap b/c they were the deepest team in the NHL and would comfortably land a high seed even without him. Kane meanwhile is one of our best players and crucial for our depth. If the Oilers are competing for the division lead by trade deadline I'd be fine with resting Kane an extra 2 months but if we're still battling for our playoff lives we need him back as soon as he's at 100%.

 

[russ99]

If you chose between pulju yama and fogele, I would trade yamamoto. Having such a player that swings that much in level of play, is nothing for a top6 for a contender.

Pulju is sad if hes not top 6 problem is - his lack of puckhandling abillitys keeo him out of that, other areas is great - he could be a very good defensive specialist.
Fogele is a big body, thr cap is not thatterrible.

Trade chart right now;
1 yam
2 Fogele
3 Pulju

Disnt belive this in the beginning of the season, but having a player like yamamoto playing great and scoring in bunches is awful for top 6.
Dont like MacLeod in top 6, he's here to create depth. Finally that 3C is found, and folks want to change it.

McDavid, Leon, Nuge, Hyman, Kane, Fogele could be top 6.
Järnmark MacLeod Pulju could be a decent 3rd line.
4th line - Shore, Ryan and some other happy guy that show that he wants a roosterspot. Take Benson to really push holloway to want to be inside the team.
Benson Shore Ryan is not fiesty at all though.
No way a point per game player in AHL as Järnmark should be out for Yamamoto right now.
You got to send Yamamoto to AHL for a while.

Yamamoto is under contract for next year, Puljujarvi is not. With Kane out, I'm warm to the idea of keeping him on the first line if only to pump up his minimal trade value.

IMO, teams will not want Yamamoto, Pulju and Foegele in return for players that can make a difference, they'll want Broberg, Holloway, etc.

 

[SwedishFire]

Yamamoto is under contract for next year, Puljujarvi is not. With Kane out, I'm warm to the idea of keeping him on the first line if only to pump up his minimal trade value.

IMO, teams will not want Yamamoto, Pulju and Foegele in return for players that can make a difference, they'll want Broberg, Holloway, etc.

If Holland is in win-now mode, he should evaluate wich of Broberg/Holloway will be the best plater, and trade the other for a top6 RW. If oilers have a injury, Shore, Benson, Fogele, Holloway is not players that can fill out in top6 they cant. If someone of them would, it will be Shore. He can score some seldom goal.
It woild be fun to see Benson be tried, we dont know if he fits. Benson pests around, while Leon and Kane doing their thing.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Tampa was able to fake Kucherov's injury timeline to circumvent the cap b/c they were the deepest team in the NHL and would comfortably land a high seed even without him. Kane meanwhile is one of our best players and crucial for our depth. If the Oilers are competing for the division lead by trade deadline I'd be fine with resting Kane an extra 2 months but if we're still battling for our playoff lives we need him back as soon as he's at 100%.

Agreed

 

[FlameChampion]

You’re probably right, but I would prefer to keep the third line from yesterday intact and just move up Holloway. Not sure Woodcroft is confident enough in his defensive abilities yet though.

The more interesting top 6 configuration could be:

Holloway - McDavid - Draisaitl
Hyman - RNH - Puljujarvi

Based on the way Woodcroft has deployed Holloway, I dont know if hes getting top 6 minutes.

Maybe they throw Janmark a bone and give him top 6 after not playing him? I dont know. I cant see him being worse offensively than Yama or JP.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Based on the way Woodcroft has deployed Holloway, I dont know if hes getting top 6 minutes.

Maybe they throw Janmark a bone and give him top 6 after not playing him? I dont know. I cant see him being worse offensively than Yama or JP.

I agree. I think Holloway has been a bit unlucky though and has gotten caught on the wrong side of the puck a few times.

Yesterday being a close lead against the Stanley Cup finalists in their own barn (after a 3 game losing streak) didn’t help matters either.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

With Columbus firmly planted in the basement and desperately in need of a good C with guys like Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson I wonder if they consider selling off early to ensure a top pick.

Gavrikov + Nyquist are both pending UFA’s could fill a couple needs for us. We’d have to send money back and or have them retain but it’s likely doable with enough room to fit Kane when he’s ready to come back.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

We should look into trading Yamamoto for Kasperi Kapanen. Identical contract situation, Kasperi more proven, less injury prone and has more upside. Now outside Penguins forward lines. An ex-Leaf, so he should fit right into our locker room.

Also PJ for cap space so we can bring in a better 2LD and fill that massive gaping hole.

Git er dun as they say in Raleigh.

 

[Aerchon]

I really like a third line with Nuge centering Hyman and Ryan. It was used to great success last year.

If Kane is gone for months/the year I would love to shake up the lines considerably.

Holloway McDavid Yamamoto
Janmark Draisaitl Pulj
Hyman Nuge Ryan
Foegele McLeod Kostin

Maybe even get guys in like Benson or Borg in if it makes sense.

 

[backhandsauce]

With Kaner out we need some size.

Grab Ritchie out of Arizona.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

With Kaner out we need some size.

Grab Ritchie out of Arizona.

No, grab an NHL player, size or no.

 

[McShogun99]

Callup Janmark, Klostin and Malone, send down Holloway to play big minutes.

RNH-Mcdavid-JP
Hyman-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
Janmark-Mcleod-Foegele
Benson-Ryan-Klostin
Shore, Malone

This was pretty much our lineup last season before we signed Kane with the addition of Janmark and Klostin.

 

[Soundwave]

We may have to load up our lines

Draisaitl McDavid Puljujarvi
McLeod RNH Hyman
Janmark Ryan Foegele
Kostin Shore Yamamoto

If Puljujarvi can't get some gravy goals next to Connor and Leon, I mean just send him off into outer space.

 

[CupofOil]

So who gets promoted in Kane's absence? Assuming a 3-4 month absence (as was with Ilya Mikheyev), a little bit of cap to play with, so a Janmark can come up, a couple others if you really want. Another thing to consider is Benson is probably close too, just started skating. If he plays like he did even the end of last year, he adds an assholery and surprising physicality that's really missing from our bottom 6. It can't be much worse than our current carousel. Holloway has moments, but so even does Devin Shore. McLeod has absolutely been the best bottom 6er in our roster, and I remember him doing well in spurts on Drai's wing. Wonder if you just shift Hyman to the LW and promote Yams... though he really has not earned it and probably played better engaged hockey on he third line today.

RNH-McDavid-Pulju
Hyman-Drai-Yams
Foegele-McLeod-??Shore/??Holloway
Benson-Ryan/Shore-Janmark

Move Holloway up (please, give the kid a shot FFS), keep Foegele-McLeod-Yams together and call up Janmark and/or Kostin

RNH-McDavid-Pulju
Holloway-Drai-Hyman
Foegele-McLeod-Yams
Janmark-Ryan-Kostin
Shore

I suspect Kane is LTIRed tomorrow.

RNH - McDavid - Puljujarvi
Holloway - Draisaitl - Hyman
Foegele - McLeod - Yamamoto
Janmark - Ryan - Kostin
Benson/Shore

We can finally run a 23 man roster for a while, albeit under unfortunate circumstances.

Yes, this is the lineup

 

[Drai Fi]

Oilers Twitter says Kane will be gone for 3-4 months

Janmark and Kostin called up with the LTIR space

 

[Oilhawks]

f***, and knowing the Oilers timelines, it'll be 5-6

Edit: Kucherov time?

 

[CupofOil]

Oilers Twitter says Kane will be gone for 3-4 months

Janmark and Kostin called up with the LTIR space

Sucks but at least it happened early enough in the season that Kane will likely be ready for the playoffs, and it gives them a little more flexibility for the rest of the season. I'll just say again, it's time to give Holloway a real chance to run with it. I think he's ready so, let him loose.