Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Goodbye Brassard, Hello _______?

[CycloneSweep]

At some point Oiler fans have to get a pulse and actually start demanding the front office put together a respectable team. Currently they are content with unrolling the usual list of excuses "How will we ever find a whole $ 4 million in cap space.". But eventually, after enough good players get moved around the league with the Oilers failing to get any of them, I have confidence the attitudes will change. There are only so many excuses

Maybe give the new GM who was handed a team with arguably the worst cap situation in the league more than an offseason.

Not having capspace isn't an excuse it's a literal fact.

1. We do not have the capspace for Gardiner
2. He wanted out of the microscope of a team like Toronto. Montreal was after him and he went to Carolina instead.

Yes the Oilers didn't sign him boo hoo. He is a bad defensive, left shot defender. We don't have room for that and he doesn't fill a need.

 

[Del Preston]

It always seems so much easier to bring up "excuses" instead of thinking things through.

Gardiner super willing to come to Edmonton for $4 million? Yep, but "excuses".

Holland saw Gardiner cost his team one time too many in the playoffs? Nah, just "excuses".

The Oilers have no cap space? Uh uh, only "excuses".

Why is there only ever one possibility?

Nah I'm pretty sure it's like the old video games where you just click and drag a player onto a team.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The Oilers could have signed Gardiner to the contract he just signed today and still be cap compliant with Brodziak on LTIR and have a full roster of 14F 7D and 2G.

And where does he play? Bottom pairing with Russell? He plays left only and we have 2 guys who are for sure better above him.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Would be great....

But man when was the last time the Oilers pulled off a deal like that?

I guess Maroon for a 4th?

Would be nice if we could take advantage of a team for once in the last oh I donno... 15 years.

Dude. We literally just moved Lucic for Neal.

 

[Smartguy]

Maybe give the new GM who was handed a team with arguably the worst cap situation in the league more than an offseason.

Not having capspace isn't an excuse it's a literal fact.

1. We do not have the capspace for Gardiner
2. He wanted out of the microscope of a team like Toronto. Montreal was after him and he went to Carolina instead.

Yes the Oilers didn't sign him boo hoo. He is a bad defensive, left shot defender. We don't have room for that and he doesn't fill a need.

Some people on this board are like leaf fans think every player wants to come here just our silly management won’t let them. Rumor is Gardiner got a no trade clause on that deal, I’d be willing to bet Edmonton is a team on that list.

 

[FlameChampion]

I thought Brodziak was poor last year, so not really bothered by LTIR news. Wish him the best on recovering though, injuries suck. Sheahan probably going to fill the 4C role, with a chance to fill the 3C.

 

[Spawn]

Dude. We literally just moved Lucic for Neal.

I'm not getting into that debate again.

Suffice to say that trading a bad player for a bad player while making your cap situation worse is hardly taking advantage of a team.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'm not getting into that debate again.

Suffice to say that trading a bad player for a bad player while making your cap situation worse is hardly taking advantage of a team.

This isn't what happen and you know. Stop with this "bad contract for bad contract" BS, it's disingenuous garbage.

The Oilers traded a malcontent, a problem, a player who's buyout is a nightmare and who's NMC means he has to be on the NHL constantly, despite how awful his play is, for a guy who's buyout is better and has no 'no movement clause' and is coming the first bad season of a long consistent career.

It's NOT EVEN CLOSE how much the Oilers won that trade and it's a significant boon to this team going into this season. If you honestly can't see it this way, then you're finding reason to assume this team does nothing right.

 

[MessierII]

I'm not getting into that debate again.

Suffice to say that trading a bad player for a bad player while making your cap situation worse is hardly taking advantage of a team.

Our cap situation was made significantly better trading for Neal.

#1 He doesn’t have a NMC and can buried for cap relief, or traded to any 30 other nhl teams.

#2 his buyout is way better cap relief than the front loaded, bonus heavy Lucic deal.

Assuming Neal stays a bad player we still come way ahead cap wise and he has a significantly shorter history of being a bad player.

 

[alphahelix]

If we could manage a move for Faulk at this point without paying a crippling amount, it would be terrific. Im not holding my breath but it would be nice. Maybe they wanna save money while getting a NHL calibre body back? Would Benning + 2nd + 3rd rounders have any chance?

Looking at their system D they might not have any desire for a D back, so maybe someone like Kassian with picks would be of some interest to them? Not sure.

 

[Raab]

Maybe give the new GM who was handed a team with arguably the worst cap situation in the league more than an offseason.

Not having capspace isn't an excuse it's a literal fact.

1. We do not have the capspace for Gardiner
2. He wanted out of the microscope of a team like Toronto. Montreal was after him and he went to Carolina instead.

Yes the Oilers didn't sign him boo hoo. He is a bad defensive, left shot defender. We don't have room for that and he doesn't fill a need.

Gardiner went to Carolina?? Who are they moving to make space?

 

[Fourier]

By who? Their fans seem to just be the have a good time win or lose types, and he will probably rarely run into any of them in his daily life. Their media is pretty calm and tepid and just hope for the best. He's out of the fish bowl and still making millions. Probably a dream come true. Carolina actually won a series as well

For his salary, his taxes are down 10% for at least half his games now. Overall, probably something like a 7-8% reduction in taxes, so he technically got a raise too.

It seems that the tax advantage issue is often exaggerated, especially for Americans playing in Toronto. There is a rather lucrative but seemingly not well known tax loophole for US residents that could easily make it go away all together.

John Tavares Could Save Nearly $12 Million In Taxes On His New Contract

 

[CycloneSweep]

Gardiner went to Carolina?? Who are they moving to make space?

No idea.

 

[McOvechking]

I'd honestly rather the Oilers trade for TVR over Faulk if someone is shaking loose in Carolina. But Faulk to Edmonton has been rumoured for so long, and I'd bet that Holland finally gets it done.

 

[oobga]

It seems that the tax advantage issue is often exaggerated, especially for Americans playing in Toronto. There is a rather lucrative but seemingly not well known tax loophole for US residents that could easily make it go away all together.

John Tavares Could Save Nearly $12 Million In Taxes On His New Contract

That's interesting, never heard of any of that before. So, assuming he is taking advantage, which I guess players would be dumb not to, Tampa would have actually needed to pony up near to the 11M to match TO's offer on an after-tax basis. No chance Tampa would have been willing to blow up their cap structure like that for JT with other, possibly more productive, guys to sign. Kucherov was signed after JT that summer, and now Point needs a deal. SJ didn't have much of a shot either.

 

[Fourier]

That's interesting, never heard of any of that before. So, assuming he is taking advantage, which I guess players would be dumb not to, Tampa would have actually needed to pony up near to the 11M to match TO's offer on an after-tax basis. SJ didn't have much of a shot either.

It seems that few players actually know about this or do not understand this. It should be up to the agents to let them know but there are lots of examples to suggest that the communication between players and agents are not what they should be. Of course, I am no tax lawyer so it is possible that there are issues not mentioned in the article.

 

[joestevens29]

Gardiner went to Carolina?? Who are they moving to make space?

Probably Faulk that and capfriendly has 24 guys listed on their roster, so they should be able to get under by just sending one guy down.

 

[backhandsauce]

Klefbom-Faulk
Nurse-Larsson

That's a solid top 4 I could live with.

 

[Fourier]

Probably Faulk that and capfriendly has 24 guys listed on their roster, so they should be able to get under by just sending one guy down.

One guy probably won't do it though. They are about $1.6M over the cap and they don't have anyone making more that they would risk to waivers. . They could squeeze under the cap with two of kids going down and a 22 man roster but they would be hopped with any short term injury.

 

[destro909]

One guy probably won't do it though. They are about $1.6M over the cap and they don't have anyone making more that they would risk to waivers. . They could squeeze under the cap with two of kids going down and a 22 man roster but they would be hopped with any short term injury.

van Riemsdyk had shoulder surgery back in May and was expected to have 4-6 months of recovery time. If he starts the season on LTIR then Carolina should be able to make it work (in the short term).

 

[Weitz]

This isn't what happen and you know. Stop with this "bad contract for bad contract" BS, it's disingenuous garbage.

The Oilers traded a malcontent, a problem, a player who's buyout is a nightmare and who's NMC means he has to be on the NHL constantly, despite how awful his play is, for a guy who's buyout is better and has no 'no movement clause' and is coming the first bad season of a long consistent career.

It's NOT EVEN CLOSE how much the Oilers won that trade and it's a significant boon to this team going into this season. If you honestly can't see it this way, then you're finding reason to assume this team does nothing right.

Its a good trade for the Oilers on paper (for reasons you mentioned) and hopefully Neal can hit 20 again (I had him pegged for a bounce back this year before the trade anyway).

But its a good trade for Calgary too. They save cap and get a guy who can play in the bottom 6. There was no appetite for Neal to play in the top 6 going forward and was their worst player on their team last year.

At the end of the day I don't think you can say either team won the trade quite yet. But as of now the trade was good for BOTH teams.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Carolina has a totally stud defense now... nice problem to have juggling a D group that's TOO deep... must be nice.

 

[fireantz]

Just walked thru cap friendly. There are now 12 teams with less cap space than us(several already using Ltir$). SJ and Chic will be like us at less than $2M by the time they fill their roster. TBL WPG CAL VAN NJD BOS and PHL will spend to the cap on their RFAs. OTT and CBJ are on a budget and COL need to save for next years RFAs. That’s 25 teams with no spending money. Our pro scouting will have to make wise decisions this season. Separating wheat from chaff in Bakersfield and the NHL roster and moving them for useful pieces on some of the cap strapped teams will be imparative

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I REALLY hope that Holland can be creative and find a way to get Faulk here, what a fit he would be.

Maybe, instead of just dumping Russell, they move out Gagner, Benning and "maybe" Manning.

Flip
Manning, Safin and a 5th to Ottawa for JC Beaduin
Gagner, Benning and 2nd to Anaheim for Nicholas Deslauriers

Then, will space being hopefully created.

You trade Puljujarvi, Bear and a top-5 protected 1st for Faulk

 

[destro909]

Carolina has a totally stud defense now... nice problem to have juggling a D group that's TOO deep... must be nice.

It will be interesting to see if they can keep it together in the future. Anaheim was in a similar situation a couple years ago and somehow screwed it up