Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | Free Agent Frenzy "I'd Buy That For a Dollar!"

[Heavy Dee]

Shuffle deck chairs? They added pretty much an entire top line in the last year plus and an elite #1 defenseman. They arguably have the best roster in the NHL now, up there with Tampa and Colorado.
I hate them but that team is stacked.

Who is their elite scorer? Mark Stone? How much better is AP than Schmidt?

They won't win.

 

[McXLNC97]

Safe to say their rebuild has passed ours.

We shall see once you factor in the massive raises that Petterssen and Hughes come next season. Oilers top 2 guys are already locked up for multiple years. Petterssen is almost certainly going to come in at a higher cap hit than what Draisaitl has here.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Who is their elite scorer? Mark Stone? How much better is AP than Schmidt?

They won't win.

They're the best team in the division by a country mile.

 

[Faelko]

Why can we not move one of our contracts to Detroit?

Plenty of cap space and are rebuilding?

Dozen players better than Chiasson available for free.
No way Russell waives his NTC for Detroit.

 

[Heavy Dee]

They're the best team in the division by a country mile.

Maybe. Are they better than Colorado or Dallas?

 

[CupofOil]

Who is their elite scorer? Mark Stone? How much better is AP than Schmidt?

They won't win.

No elite forwards but they have depth at every position, two #1 Dmen, a #1 goalie and an identity as a fast, physical team that comes at you in waves.
Yes, Pietrangelo is much better than Schmidt.

If it wasn't for the ref screwjob against the Sharks (and they dominated that series), they likely would have made three straight Conference finals and this is before adding a top 10 Dman.

And now Vancouver has two Dmen better than Oiler Dman. Wonderful

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Maybe. Are they better than Colorado or Dallas?

Probably not Colorado, but even putting the playoffs aside I'd say they're better than Dallas.

 

[Oilers in NS]

Why can we not move one of our contracts to Detroit?

Plenty of cap space and are rebuilding?

One has to hope Kenny is talking to his old buddy Stevie about that now. I wonder if Kenny is on good terms with Pierre Doiron.

 

[Heavy Dee]

No elite forwards but they have depth at every position, two #1 Dmen, a #1 goalie and an identity as a fast, physical team that comes at you in waves.
Yes, Pietrangelo is much better than Schmidt.

If it wasn't for the ref screwjob against the Sharks (and they dominated that series), they likely would have made three straight Conference finals and this is before adding a top 10 Dman.

Same team that wouldn't go to the dirty areas for DeBoer. I guess we will see.

 

[belair]

McCrimmon says Golden Knights will go with $12 million Fleury and Lehner tandem. “Marc and Robin are going to be our goaltenders as we go into training camp and the season.”

I thought everybody said you can't have 10+ million in goal?.....

I thought that Fleury and his agent were convinced he was done in Vegas. It seems like the Knights are in a situation where that team just implodes. High turnover, no loyalty to players or to staff. Factor in their lack of proven depth up the middle and I could see that roster underperforming. Mind you this is coming from someone who hopes they do. I wish nothing but failure from the NHL's little pet project.

 

[North]

McCrimmon says Golden Knights will go with $12 million Fleury and Lehner tandem. “Marc and Robin are going to be our goaltenders as we go into training camp and the season.”

I thought everybody said you can't have 10+ million in goal?.....

They have no choice. Nobody wants Fleury at that cap hit with only a second round pick attached.

 

[Joey Moss]

Wow I would’ve been pretty happy to get Schmidt for that price

 

[North]

I thought that Fleury and his agent were convinced he was done in Vegas. It seems like the Knights are in a situation where that team just implodes. High turnover, no loyalty to players or to staff. Factor in their lack of proven depth up the middle and I could see that roster underperforming. Mind you this is coming from someone who hopes they do. I wish nothing but failure from the NHL's little pet project.

Imagine being Max Pacioretty and going into next season knowing that they tried to trade him. Imagine being Fleury and knowing they don’t really want you there. It’s not going to be all sunshine and rainbows there.

 

[iCanada]

Even if Toffoli was being considered, IMO LW is a bigger concern than RW right now.

Toffoli has long played LW, for whatever that's worth.

 

[CanmoreMike]

Absolutely embarrassing. The trade saved DimJim’s Jon, but otherwise he’s had an awful offseason and he’s kicking the cap crunch down to...next season?

Honestly, I don’t think they are in that bad of shape next season. I imagine Demko, Peterson and Hughes coming in at somewhere between $18-20M. I imagine they’ll buy out Eriksson after this year and in the first year of the buyout they save $2M. Currently they are projected to have about $27.1M; add the $2M and subtract $20M for their 3 guys mentioned and you are down to $9.1M. They’ll lose someone in the expansion draft and I imagine that is Myers or Holtby. They’ll need 3 d-men (4 if Myers is taken) and another 6 forwards I believe.
They should be fine. And if waiting in the market place gets you Nate Schmidt for a 3rd I imagine other bargains to be had next year.

 

[tabs]

Because I don't think it's true. I think it's crazy to say if you don't hit on a first round pick in any given year you've taken three steps back.

The Oilers in specific seem to be proof of the opposite. Edmonton has hit hard on so many first round picks in the last 10 years and they're still behind. Oddly they've been pretty trash from rounds 2-7 though.

JP certainly didn't set the team back three years. Trading for Griffin Reinhart and Spooner sure did though. Hall for Larsson?

I respectfully disagree.

Those are fair points. But I think you can argue Paajarvi and Yakupov were bad misses, and trading away Eberle and Hall for returns that aren’t proper value is the equivalent of missing on the pick. Add in the Reinhardt trade and Pully not contributing as of yet, and that’s a lot of misses in the last 10 years. Basically you need to have a solid player in your lineup from the first round, whether it be the player you picked or what the pick was traded for. But you’re right that it’s definitely up for debate.

 

[Magnum23]

How does Las Vegas trade one of their best defenceman to a division rival for only a third-round pick lol

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Canucks were one of the few teams on his NTC that could take all his money....Vegas was desperate to unload his salary and had limited options

players that leave Vegas look worse after they leave, Nate will be no different
good player, but overrated due to his team IMO

somewhere, Julian Brisbois is sweating...

 

[CycloneSweep]

They have every advantage. Still no elite goal scorer, defenseman or goalie imo. Remind me of the Rangers for the past 10 years

They just f***ing signed Pietrangelo. Pacioretty had 30+ goals, again. And I'd I'd say Lehner is maybe not elite but close.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Who is their elite scorer? Mark Stone? How much better is AP than Schmidt?

They won't win.

They are far closer than we are

 

[CycloneSweep]

Maybe. Are they better than Colorado or Dallas?

You do realize Colorado and Dallas are in a different division right?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Vegas is the clear-cut favorite to come out of the West

but it remains to be seen if they have the elite finishing to make it to the Finals

they got dummied by the Stars FFS

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Honestly, I don’t think they are in that bad of shape next season. I imagine Demko, Peterson and Hughes coming in at somewhere between $18-20M. I imagine they’ll buy out Eriksson after this year and in the first year of the buyout they save $2M. Currently they are projected to have about $27.1M; add the $2M and subtract $20M for their 3 guys mentioned and you are down to $9.1M. They’ll lose someone in the expansion draft and I imagine that is Myers or Holtby. They’ll need 3 d-men (4 if Myers is taken) and another 6 forwards I believe.
They should be fine. And if waiting in the market place gets you Nate Schmidt for a 3rd I imagine other bargains to be had next year.

So they would need 6/12 forwards and 4/6 Dmen? And they’re going to be fine?

What?

 

[North]

How does Las Vegas trade one of their best defenceman to a division rival for only a third-round pick lol

Because they know their team is better then Vancouver’s.

 

[North]

Canucks were one of the few teams on his NTC that could take all his money....Vegas was desperate to unload his salary and had limited options

players that leave Vegas look worse after they leave, Nate will be no different
good player, but overrated due to his team IMO

somewhere, Julian Brisbois is sweating...

Schmidt was good in Washington too though.