Rumor: Rumors and Proposals: 5 Days Until Armageddon (Free agency). Need the D!

[Jimmi McJenkins]

@jprutherford: No truth to speculation that Shattenkirk will only extend in the East. There have been West teams in the mix. #stlblues

Rutherford taking some info from the Blues and trying to pass it off as news, St Louis is probably wondering where everyone went.

 

[Seachd]

You really wouldn't, in fact that would be a horrendous decision all around.

$9,388,080 or greater is 4 First Round Picks

No one is doing that.

Depends how many years you sign him for. Remember that even when signing for 6 or 7 years, the average for compensation purposes is taken over 5. So $50 million over 7 years is an easy 4 first rounders.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Depends how many years you sign him for. Remember that even when signing for 6 or 7 years, the average for compensation purposes is taken over 5. So $50 million over 7 years is an easy 4 first rounders.

Fair enough, it that case it's somewhat sensible, I guess you could always do a 1yr $9.2M deal, just avoid 4 1sts and then re-up them at a different rate long term as well.

 

[Spawn]

Fair enough, it that case it's somewhat sensible, I guess you could always do a 1yr $9.2M deal, just avoid 4 1sts and then re-up them at a different rate long term as well.

He'd then require a 9.2m qualifying offer.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He'd then require a 9.2m qualifying offer.

Another reason it puts pressure on his a original team if they match.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I was really wondering this weekend even if we don't get Lucic if Hall would be dealt. you have two top right wingers in Eberle and Pul, maybe you go with a weaker left side. I hate to move Hall, but I think getting a winger that should make a decent impact next year and an even bigger in 17-18 really changed things around.

I think another thing that people are forgetting, is all 3 of our high end centers are left shots. Sign, or trade for, a decent 3C, and put Nuge and Draisaitl on the same line if you have to. Let them alternate positions.

I'm not okay with going into next season without the defense addressed, and if trading Hall is what we have to do, than so be it.

Drai/Nuge
Pouliot
Maroon
Cagguila.

Thats still very good left side depth to go along with elite C and RW options in the top 6. Plus if we decide in the future we need to address our LW depth, it will be MUCH easier to fix than the D.

 

[The Safe Play]

I think another thing that people are forgetting, is all 3 of our high end centers are left shots. Sign, or trade for, a decent 3C, and put Nuge and Draisaitl on the same line if you have to. Let them alternate positions.

This is the one reason a RNH + Yakupov? for Coyle + Dumba trade intrigues me. Hard to say if Minny would bite.

 

[joestevens29]

I think another thing that people are forgetting, is all 3 of our high end centers are left shots. Sign, or trade for, a decent 3C, and put Nuge and Draisaitl on the same line if you have to. Let them alternate positions.

I'm not okay with going into next season without the defense addressed, and if trading Hall is what we have to do, than so be it.

Drai/Nuge
Pouliot
Maroon
Cagguila.

Thats still very good left side depth to go along with elite C and RW options in the top 6. Plus if we decide in the future we need to address our LW depth, it will be MUCH easier to fix than the D.

I just think there was a lot of options before, but now I think getting a young NHL ready winger opened up the door even more. Add if PC knows he can get lucic then things really get interesting.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Just some quick thoughts:

• I hope we don't trade Hall, but if we do can we depend on Draisaitl to be our 2nd line center, when Draisaitl was with Hall the line produced 2.80 GF per 60, without Hall that number dropped to 1.50 GF per 60. I'm very concerned that if we move Hall, Draisaitl won't produce at the kind of rates we expect out of him.
• Part of me thinks going out of your way to pick-up countrymen for Puljujarvi is a waste of time, he'll become more proficient at English and everything will be fine. Then the other half is like would Yakupov of turned out differently if we got him a solid Russian mentor to play with and do we want to take that kind of risk with Puljujarvi?
• Then if we get a Finnish mentor who should we target? I see 3 that are realistically available and could play in an offensive role with Puljujarvi, they are:
  1. Komarov- who I think Toronto would make us pay through the nose to acquire
  2. Lehtera- who I don't think Blues are happy with his salary in relation to his offensive contributions who should be a relatively cheap add.
  3. Filppula- who seems to be declining rapidly but is someone we might be able to pry loose with Fayne (and possibly some retention) and was part of 2 solid organizations in TB and DET and is well spoken could be an ideal mentor. The main problem with Filppula aside from the $5M price tag on a player in decline is he comes with an NMC, if we took him we are locking ourselves into the 7F 3D 1G format for the expansion draft.
• If we trade with the Islanders should we target Ryan Strome, McDavid was very good friends with his younger brother and he has a skill set that could potentially make him a cheaper option to replace what Eberle provides

 

[North]

I don't know he scored more goals this year than he has in 4 years and it was his 3rd highest total of his career. If I'm the GM of Montreal I'm looking at him probably being still the same player for at least 3 years. If Bergevin doesn't do anything he'll be long gone before those 3 years anyway. He hasn't had an injury problems either

The thing is, Ladd's play was about 2 way effectiveness.

25 goals is nice but his play has degraded otherwise.

Also he takes the most boneheaded penalties. Moreau level penalties.

 

[Muad'Dib]

No he won't . We have no 2nd round pick so that blows any offer sheet

According to this article there is a loophole that would allow Edmonton to push back the compensation they owe to Boston if they successfully offer sheet a player.

http://oilersnation.com/2016/5/21/thanks-nhlpa

 

[Halibut]

Fair enough, it that case it's somewhat sensible, I guess you could always do a 1yr $9.2M deal, just avoid 4 1sts and then re-up them at a different rate long term as well.

No it doesnt work that way. They only average the amount over 5 years if it's longer than a 5 year contract so 1 year at $9.2 is max compensation. They set the rules up to make it harder for offer sheets to work.

 

[The Safe Play]

Who would St. Louis be looking for in a Shattenkirk deal?

picks, Eberle, RNH?

Edit: Guessing Eberle based on their depth chart.

 

[Young Lions*]

Who would St. Louis be looking for in a Shattenkirk deal?

picks, Eberle, RNH?

They can look for whatever they want if they want; if they expect a warm body back for an unsigned player, they should have their heads examined.

 

[The Safe Play]

They can look for whatever they want if they want; if they expect a warm body back for an unsigned player, they should have their heads examined.

More curious than anything. I assume signed Shattenkirk would be what Chia expects.

 

[Paralyzer]

As we assumed we would. Glad to hear it though.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

Who would St. Louis be looking for in a Shattenkirk deal?

picks, Eberle, RNH?

Edit: Guessing Eberle based on their depth chart.

Rutherford (Blues' beatwriter) doesn't think Shattenkirk would sign an extension in Edmonton:

But he would be open to signing an extension for other teams in the western conference.

 

[NewBoysClub97*]

@TSNRyanRishaug: RT @Real_ESPNLeBrun: UFA blue-liner Jason Demers and UFA winger Milan Lucic both scheduled to be in Edmonton today as Oilers sell them both on their market/team

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oh sweet Jesus no.

 

[Paralyzer]

To the guy saying Lucic visiting Vancouver doesn't have to worry. Our turn is next. We won Caiggula over with the Arena. Time for Operation Lucic/Demers

 

[Paralyzer]

NO! Stay AWAY from Russell. Stay FAR A HELL AWAY!

 

[Mcnofool6110]

Oh sweet Jesus no.

....

Oh sweet Jesus no

 

[Mr Positive]

It would be great if we could sell Demers and Lucic on the arena+McDavid+McLellan and they don't wreck us on the cap hit.

 

[iCanada]

Just some quick thoughts:

• I hope we don't trade Hall, but if we do can we depend on Draisaitl to be our 2nd line center, when Draisaitl was with Hall the line produced 2.80 GF per 60, without Hall that number dropped to 1.50 GF per 60. I'm very concerned that if we move Hall, Draisaitl won't produce at the kind of rates we expect out of him.
• Part of me thinks going out of your way to pick-up countrymen for Puljujarvi is a waste of time, he'll become more proficient at English and everything will be fine. Then the other half is like would Yakupov of turned out differently if we got him a solid Russian mentor to play with and do we want to take that kind of risk with Puljujarvi?
• Then if we get a Finnish mentor who should we target? I see 3 that are realistically available and could play in an offensive role with Puljujarvi, they are:
  1. Komarov- who I think Toronto would make us pay through the nose to acquire
  2. Lehtera- who I don't think Blues are happy with his salary in relation to his offensive contributions who should be a relatively cheap add.
  3. Filppula- who seems to be declining rapidly but is someone we might be able to pry loose with Fayne (and possibly some retention) and was part of 2 solid organizations in TB and DET and is well spoken could be an ideal mentor. The main problem with Filppula aside from the $5M price tag on a player in decline is he comes with an NMC, if we took him we are locking ourselves into the 7F 3D 1G format for the expansion draft.
• If we trade with the Islanders should we target Ryan Strome, McDavid was very good friends with his younger brother and he has a skill set that could potentially make him a cheaper option to replace what Eberle provides

I think we don't have to worry about mear the same amount if development in Puljujärvi as we required from Yak.

Puljujärvi can play his same style successfully. Even in the nhl he will be huge. He already uses his teammates and he already developed a strong 2 way pro game.

I mean,we want him to develop but we don't need him to formulate and change his ideas of the game or lay foundational concepts on him like we had / have to with Nail.

 

[RinkRatOil]

I imagine that our player presentations now involve sitting them down in Rogers Place and watching Mcdavid highlights on that huge scoreboard.

K-Lowe sitting somewhere in the bowels of rexall watching his Heatley DVD.