Pre-Game Talk: ROUND 1 GAME 5 JETS vs WILD APR 20 6:30 CST - MOVIE NIGHT!

[GNP]

The truth hurts.
I will admit he has progressed from last year but his play last year was putrid. He's a little faster in moving the puck and doesn't ice it as much. Enstrom is the better D man though.

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Toby is at best a $ 5million dollar "exercise bike rider" in the weight room, and we don't need his big bill, and no action anymore. I doubt that Chevy signs him for any more than $ 1.5 mil, only as a replacement, as the guy is to fragile. We are playing well, and winning just fine without Enstrom--who needs the "big bill." ??

Do we need a $ 5 million dollar bike rider to win ?? -- we're proving we don't.

Kulikov--"back problems"--they are not easy to fix--ask Tiger Woods who couldn't get out of bed for 6 months. After 3 surgeries that didn't work, he decided to have a disc in his back "fused" and so far it's working for Tiger--he got lucky- "no pain." so far, but he won't be getting drilled by 210 lb guys into the boards. I wish him well.

We could have damaged goods on our hands in Kulikov, as these back problems are not easy to fix, and often never get back to normal. I would not be surprised if we only get maybe 15-20 games out of Kulikov next year.

Considering this--we should be thankful we have Ben Chiarot who plays great, at a very affordable price, fitting into the team well, and we're winning with him in the lineup.

 

[SensibleGuy]

gotta say I took some pleasure in seeing the Ducks get pasted. Enjoy your summer Getzlaf & Perry!

 

[Ducky10]

Wouldn't surprise me if Laine had the opposite opinion.

It would surprise me, by all accounts Laine is a sincerely nice person.

 

[Ducky10]

Yeh I’m not sure what people are seeing. His breakouts suck and he still ices the puck often.

His gaps are awful, the only time the Wild gain the zone with speed and control is usually when he is on the ice. Can't beat a forecheck with his skating either, he' strong in the corners and can win some battles, that's about the extent of my positives for him.

Oh, he can shoot hard too, there's that.

 

[Flair Hay]

If people haven't been happy with Chiarot that's fine but don't talk like it's a open and shut case... the guy has been at his best the last few weeks and it's been a nice advantage having a guy who can hammer guys into the boards instead of allowing them to start a cycle every time. Him and Toby are complete opposite play styles but I don't think their overall value to the team is off by that much...

I think Chiarot needs a good puck mover beside him so him and Myers don't mesh well on our own side of center. But he's not a fun guy to play against for opposing skill forwards with relaxed playoff rules I know that much

 

[Aggie204]

@Mud Turtle
Did you do a Sister Act 2? Awesome job on the photoshop

 

[Jet]

The truth hurts.
I will admit he has progressed from last year but his play last year was putrid. He's a little faster in moving the puck and doesn't ice it as much. Enstrom is the better D man though.

I wouldn't argue with the last point. I can't wait til Toby gets back, but it's not because Chia has hurt the team IMO, it's because Toby is a great thinker and has been here since day one.

 

[Robinson2187]

If people haven't been happy with Chiarot that's fine but don't talk like it's a open and shut case... the guy has been at his best the last few weeks and it's been a nice advantage having a guy who can hammer guys into the boards instead of allowing them to start a cycle every time. Him and Toby are complete opposite play styles but I don't think their overall value to the team is off by that much...

I think Chiarot needs a good puck mover beside him so him and Myers don't mesh well on our own side of center. But he's not a fun guy to play against for opposing skill forwards with relaxed playoff rules I know that much

Great post. Toby makes us a better transition team and Ben makes us much tougher. Pick a poison.

 

[MardyBum]

Do all boards have a terrible obsession with below average meat and potatoes players?

Chia is not good.

Enstrom is much, much, better.

Chia has been better than last year, but that's akin to bragging you got a D this year after your F last year.

 

[HannuJ]

I wouldn't argue with the last point. I can't wait til Toby gets back, but it's not because Chia has hurt the team IMO, it's because Toby is a great thinker and has been here since day one.

if Toby's back for the 2nd round, we'll be lucky. something's obviously really up there. think he's been away from practice for 3 weeks?

 

[10Ducky10]

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Toby is at best a $ 5million dollar "exercise bike rider" in the weight room, and we don't need his big bill, and no action anymore. I doubt that Chevy signs him for any more than $ 1.5 mil, only as a replacement, as the guy is to fragile. We are playing well, and winning just fine without Enstrom--who needs the "big bill." ??
Do we need a $ 5 million dollar bike rider to win ?? -- we're proving we don't.
Kulikov--"back problems"--they are not easy to fix--ask Tiger Woods who couldn't get out of bed for 6 months. After 3 surgeries that didn't work, he decided to have a disc in his back "fused" and so far it's working for Tiger--he got lucky- "no pain." so far, but he won't be getting drilled by 210 lb guys into the boards. I wish him well.
We could have damaged goods on our hands in Kulikov, as these back problems are not easy to fix, and often never get back to normal. I would not be surprised if we only get maybe 15-20 games out of Kulikov next year.
Considering this--we should be thankful we have Ben Chiarot who plays great, at a very affordable price, fitting into the team well, and we're winning with him in the lineup.

Toby's salary is done with...why even bring it up?
Chiarot is okay for a 7/8 D man. I'd be happy to see neither of them starting for the Jets next year...Morrissey De Haan and Kuli would be excellent.
You can't compare Chiarot's IQ with Enstrom's...or his passing. Next to Buff, Enstrom is the best passing D we have.
I agree that Chiarot has played some of his best hockey over the last 6 or so weeks but that doesn't make him Bobby Orr.
Having said all that, I will cheer for Chiarot because he is a Jet and I hope he gives it to Foligno and/or Needsaright tomorrow night.

 

[GNP]

Your assessment of chiarot is on par with your assessment of Dano A little off.

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You certainly have that "right"-when the Poster says "free Dano"-- I say to myself--he's already free'd -- to exactly where he should be " in the press box." Guy is useless.

 

[HannuJ]

Great post. Toby makes us a better transition team and Ben makes us much tougher. Pick a poison.

you mean:
Ben makes us tougher, which doesn't stop goals or get us goals, while Toby makes us a better transition team, which both prevent the other team from scoring off the turnover and lead to more scoring opportunities

 

[GNP]

Toby's salary is done with...why even bring it up?
Chiarot is okay for a 7/8 D man. I'd be happy to see neither of them starting for the Jets next year...Morrissey De Haan and Kuli would be excellent.
You can't compare Chiarot's IQ with Enstrom's...or his passing. Next to Buff, Enstrom is the best passing D we have.
I agree that Chiarot has played some of his best hockey over the last 6 or so weeks but that doesn't make him Bobby Orr.
Having said all that, I will cheer for Chiarot because he is a Jet and I hope he gives it to Foligno and/or Needsaright tomorrow night.

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I agree with some of this post -- but Enstrom just can't take the hits anymore, so what good is he doing for the team ? and the cost to resign him-forget it. If he could come back now and contribute--that would be great, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I do agree he's smart, and makes great passes, when he's playing.

Kulikov--just wait and see --"big problems" with the back are not easy to fix. I hope by some magic they can fix it, because I like the guy.

I'm sure De Haan would be good if we can get him ?? haven't seen him play that much, but bear in mind, we have a ton of expensive young guys to sign here. Money and cost will come to bear in these new aquisitions.

 

[John Agar]

A picture can say a thousand words...

Lol on the PGT pre-lim Mud' ....

 

[10Ducky10]

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I agree with some of this post -- but Enstrom just can't take the hits anymore, so what good is he doing for the team ? and the cost to resign him-forget it. If he could come back now and contribute--that would be great, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I do agree he's smart, and makes great passes, when he's playing.
Kulikov--just wait and see --"big problems" with the back are not easy to fix. I hope by some magic they can fix it, because I like the guy.
I'm sure De Haan would be good if we can get him ?? haven't seen him play that much, but bear in mind, we have a ton of expensive young guys to sign here. Money and cost will come to bear in these new aquisitions.

What exactly is wrong with Kuli's back?
Enlighten me.

 

[SUX2BU]

What exactly is wrong with Kuli's back?
Enlighten me.

It’s sore from carrying Myers....

 

[GNP]

What exactly is wrong with Kuli's back ?
Enlighten me.

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I'm sure that's the exact same question the "back doctors" are asking each other ?? They don't really know for sure, because the back contains the spinal column, all the discs, and the thousands of nerves, that send impulses to all the muscles etc.

When he smashed his back in Buffalo against an open gate, he probably mis-alligned some discs, and also created nerve damage. It's a very hard thing to fix. It's not like a torn knee ligament, which they do know how to fix. ( ACL etc.)

I've had friends who hurt their back years ago in car accidents, and they are still in pain many years later -- and the doctors don't really have any real answers, as modern medical science is a long ways away from knowing all the "solutions for back problems"

I don't know what's wrong with Kuli's back, but I did see his injury, and it's likely damaged quite badly. I hope somehow they can fix it, and get "lucky"--we'll see ?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ben is fine. Enstrom is better give me a healthy enstrom any day. Dumb debate. Ben is much better than Melchori morrow soucy. He is also better than Niku in his own end which is where it counts. He is safer with the puck than Myers.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'd also take Perrault over Armia. What's that I can't have Perrault because he's injured again. It's the exact same situation with Chariot if Enstrom is healthy put him in, but he's not, now is he.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fab you luss!

Best PGT ever! Pretty sure Beyak is over 40. Have no idea (and don't want any!) if he is still a virgin, or not.

 

[Gm0ney]

Has this come up yet? It seems pretty relevant:



Enstrom put up unreal numbers this year in terms of Corsi Against, Shots Against, High Danger Chances Against, Goals Against. 15th in the league in Goals-Against/60. The Jets system this season is built to limit HDCA but he was often playing pretty tough minutes (tougher than Kuli-Myers) and killing it. Super elite shutdown defenseman numbers.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Chevy looking like a genius again with the Morrow pickup.
At the time I thought, oh great just another plug who may take time away from someone better.
Very happy to be wrong!

I was not impressed with the pickup either. Wanted Chevy to have aimed higher, even if it cost more. Couldn't be happier so far.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Has this come up yet? It seems pretty relevant:



Enstrom put up unreal numbers this year in terms of Corsi Against, Shots Against, High Danger Chances Against, Goals Against. 15th in the league in Goals-Against/60. The Jets system this season is built to limit HDCA but he was often playing pretty tough minutes (tougher than Kuli-Myers) and killing it. Super elite shutdown defenseman numbers.

I had assumed, earlier in the season, that he was in decline and wouldn't be worth bringing back by next year. I have revised that opinion.

Still not sure that he wants to come back. Just a guess but I'm thinking he may go back to Sweden. But if he wants to play he should be worth another year at least.

 

[10Ducky10]

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I'm sure that's the exact same question the "back doctors" are asking each other ?? They don't really know for sure, because the back contains the spinal column, all the discs, and the thousands of nerves, that send impulses to all the muscles etc.
When he smashed his back in Buffalo against an open gate, he probably mis-alligned some discs, and also created nerve damage. It's a very hard thing to fix. It's not like a torn knee ligament, which they do know how to fix. ( ACL etc.)
I've had friends who hurt their back years ago in car accidents, and they are still in pain many years later -- and the doctors don't really have any real answers, as modern medical science is a long ways away from knowing all the "solutions for back problems"
I don't know what's wrong with Kuli's back, but I did see his injury, and it's likely damaged quite badly. I hope somehow they can fix it, and get "lucky"--we'll see ?

The reason I'm asking is because you seem to know. You stated that he will only play 15-20 games next year without even knowing what is wrong with him or what part of the back is ailing him.
I like the line about carrying Myers though.