Roster Speculation 2015-16 Pt. III

[Woodhouse]

Roster Speculation Part Three .. continued from part two.

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[Jacob582]

Can't help but think that there is a 40% chance that Chicago will trade Crawford this summer.

 

[Sabretip]

Spitballing some scenarios:

Deal # 1:
To AZ: Hodgson + 2016 # 4 Pick
To BUF: Gormley

Deal # 2:
To OTT: Grigorenko, Gormley + 2015 # 2 Pick
To BUF: Lehner, Weircioch and Chiasson

Then the previously-proposed ROR package (Zadorov, Foligno + 21st).

Maybe fantasy...but Weircioch could provide: 1) the more experienced LHD so many are clamoring for; 2) size that would be lost if Zadorov gets inserted into package for ROR; and 3) age (25) and salary that fits Murray's criteria.

Chiasson replaces Foligno as bottom 9 winger.

 

[Matt Ress]

Anyone else think it's not necessarily plausible to send Zad back to ROC this season?

On one hand he could certainly use the development with top minutes and hopefully dominance playing in all situations and being a team leader (theoretically).

On the other hand, it would be somewhat of a precedence in spite of the cloudy circumstances that got him into the NHL last year. Also, having a new coach, new system etc. might not necessarily hinder his development but allow him to thrive.

 

[Matt Ress]

Spitballing some scenarios:

Deal # 1:
To AZ: Hodgson + 2016 # 4 Pick
To BUF: Gormley

Deal # 2:
To OTT: Grigorenko, Gormley + 2015 # 2 Pick
To BUF: Lehner, Weircioch and Chiasson

Then the previously-proposed ROR package (Zadorov, Foligno + 21st).

Maybe fantasy...but Weircioch could provide: 1) the more experienced LHD so many are clamoring for; 2) size that would be lost if Zadorov gets inserted into package for ROR; and 3) age (25) and salary that fits Murray's criteria.

Chiasson replaces Foligno as bottom 9 winger.

I would stop after the first trade.

 

[Beerz]

Anyone else think it's not necessarily plausible to send Zad back to ROC this season?

On one hand he could certainly use the development with top minutes and hopefully dominance playing in all situations and being a team leader (theoretically).

On the other hand, it would be somewhat of a precedence in spite of the cloudy circumstances that got him into the NHL last year. Also, having a new coach, new system etc. might not necessarily hinder his development but allow him to thrive.

Two things will factor into what will happen.


1) The ability of Murray to bring in a top 4 LHD.

2) Zadorovs play. He may very well earn his spot on the team.

 

[TehDoak]

The more we've heard from Murray and Bylsma, the lower my expectations are for next year.

I think we will

A) Add a veteran D-man.
B) Sign some 4th line UFAs
C) maybe pick up a RW from a cap strapped team.

 

[Matt Ress]

Two things will factor into what will happen.


1) The ability of Murray to bring in a top 4 LHD.

2) Zadorovs play. He may very well earn his spot on the team.

Sounds right. It's still up in the air really. It will be a big preseason for several guys. If that LHD is brought in, does that punch Zs ticket to ROC? Not necessarily I suppose.

 

[kirby11]

The more we've heard from Murray and Bylsma, the lower my expectations are for next year.

I think we will

A) Add a veteran D-man.
B) Sign some 4th line UFAs
C) maybe pick up a RW from a cap strapped team.

i wonder if we could poach hagelin from the rangers...
having a d heavy line of hagelin-larsson-des/foligno would be pretty great imo

 

[TehDoak]

To add to my last post, some "cheaper" thoughts:

To Buffalo: Carle
To Tampa: 2016 (not ours) 3rd

He has 3 years left @ 5.5. He's on the decline, but I think he could help take some ice time away from Jorges

Sign: Steve Downie to a 2 year, 3 Million total deal

Trade:

To Ottawa: 2017 2nd (MN's), 2015 4th round pick
To Buffalo: Lehner, Legwand.

To Dallas: 51st OA
To Buffalo: Trevor Daley


Kane-Eichel-Ennis
Moulson-Larsson-Grigerenko
Foligno-Girgensons-Gionta
Deslauriers-Legwand-Downie
McCormick

Daley-Bogo
Carle-Risto
Gorges-Pysyk
Weber

Lehner
Johnson

 

[TehDoak]

Two things will factor into what will happen.


1) The ability of Murray to bring in a top 4 LHD.

2) Zadorovs play. He may very well earn his spot on the team.

I dont think there will be a LH D spot up for grabs.

Zads and McCabe will be in the AHL.

 

[sabres4ever]

I can't help but think TM is going to sign Lehner or Lindback. I think Enroth's size rules him out.

 

[Matt Ress]

I dont think there will be a LH D spot up for grabs.

Zads and McCabe will be in the AHL.

No doubt a d man is added but it is a bit of an anomaly to have a full season up, then a full season down. If Z does find himself up, it'll probably be because he's leapfrogged someone.

 

[joshjull]

No doubt a d man is added but it is a bit of an anomaly to have a full season up, then a full season down. If Z does find himself up, it'll probably be because he's leapfrogged someone.

Last season was an anomaly of sorts. Zads couldn't go to the AHL and they couldn't send him to juniors because of a waiver issue with the Russian team holding his rights.

 

[Pads of Irbe]

To add to my last post, some "cheaper" thoughts:




Kane-Eichel-Ennis
Moulson-Larsson-Grigerenko
Foligno-Girgensons-Gionta

WHY ON EARTH?

 

[Matt Ress]

Last season was an anomaly of sorts. Zads couldn't go to the AHL and they couldn't send him to juniors because of a waiver issue with the Russian team holding his rights.

Good point. I still think it's a bit of a toss up so as much I'd like to see him in ROC, it wouldn't surprise me either way.

 

[joshjull]

Good point. I still think it's a bit of a toss up so as much I'd like to see him in ROC, it wouldn't surprise me either way.

A lot will depend on how Murray views him and where he thinks is best for Zads development.

EDIT: I can see both sides of the argument. But I do think if Zads is in the NHL next season. Murray will not want him in the top 4 to start the season.

 

[Jacob582]

The more we've heard from Murray and Bylsma, the lower my expectations are for next year.

I think we will

A) Add a veteran D-man.
B) Sign some 4th line UFAs
C) maybe pick up a RW from a cap strapped team.

It seems that is what they were saying. But I can't imagine that Murray doesn't have more major changes up his sleeve especially with cap strapped teams needing to shed players. He has already traded a first round draft pick for a player and says he wants to do it again.

 

[Jacob582]

EDIT: But I do think if Zads is next in the NHL Murray will not want him in the top 4 to start the season.

That's one of the reasons I'm okay with him being in the A. Seems like we have 3 possible 3rd pairing LHD next season.

 

[Jacob582]

I think we will

A) Add a veteran D-man.
B) Sign some 4th line UFAs
C) maybe pick up a RW from a cap strapped team.

D) draft Auston Mathews when Johnson and Makarov implode in goal.

 

[BananaSquad]

Imo Larsson changed some things for Murray. Hes got his top 4 centers now in place, with one of them moving to wing eventually.

 

[Matt Ress]

A lot will depend on how Murray views him and where he thinks is best for Zads development.

EDIT: I can see both sides of the argument. But I do think if Zads is in the NHL next season. Murray will not want him in the top 4 to start the season.

That just makes the most sense. The only possible problem is how will the young Russian take being seemingly demoted.

 

[TehDoak]

A lot will depend on how Murray views him and where he thinks is best for Zads development.

EDIT: I can see both sides of the argument. But I do think if Zads is in the NHL next season. Murray will not want him in the top 4 to start the season.

Given how he treated Pysyk (i.e told him what he w anted him to improve and basically kept him down there unless it was an emergency) I think most AHL eligible players will see AHL time unless it better for their development (and the team) for t hem to get NHL ice time. Almost all the senators major prospects spent time in the AHL. (including Karlsson)

 

[Jame]

What kind of offers could we together for Marc Staal?

 

[Beerz]

What kind of offers could we together for Marc Staal?

Doubt you're going to get anybody to waive their NTC to come to Buffalo until we have showed we've turned a corner.