Line Combos: Roster/Lineup/Movement Discussions Thread

[ViD]

Jones for Hintz and Heiskanen.

:homerdrool:

Never gonna happen.

Are we moving Jackets to Helsinki ?

 

[Kellen]

If I’m Jarmo I’m looking for a partner for Jones. He seems very unenthusiastic as of late. To me it was evident on his penalty shot a few games ago.

I’m with you - I truly believe he wants out- I feel Zach does as well. They all have the same agent as PLD- and Jones and Z have been absolutely awful this year. Jones especially - the guy seems like he just doesn’t give a shit.

I just don’t get it- we have been a good winning team for what 5 years now ? I know we haven’t done anything substantial yet ... but there are so many worse situations to be in.

 

[DJA]

I just don’t see Jarmo trading him at all, he regards him as a core player and a ‘loyal’ player. They will try to re-sign him at all costs.

The team will be put together all wrong going forward then, IMO.

 

[ViD]

The team will be put together all wrong going forward then, IMO.

Agreed, I would trade Jones for a 1C easily, that keeps Laine happy and gives us a fresh breath in offense. But it’s very unlikely to happen

 

[jonu]

Jones for Hintz and Heiskanen.

:homerdrool:

Never gonna happen.

Sadly Heiskanen is probably the most valuable player of those three

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I would keep Stenlund instead of Nash, Koivu or Robinson. Fairly easily too.

Not ahead of Koivu, nope.

 

[ViD]

Not ahead of Koivu, nope.

I don’t know if he’s game shape ready after COVID

 

[majormajor]

Looks like good temporary forward lines to me.

When Laine arrives:

Laine - Texier - Bjorkstrand
Foligno - Domi - Foudy
Jenner - Roslovic - Atkinson/Stenlund
Grigo - Koivu/Nash - Robinson

I'm not committed at all to playing Atkinson every game, not until he starts moving again. Robinson is not going to come out of the lineup if he is playing like this. Koivu and Nash have both been good but since they're old as dirt, I'll rotate them to keep them fresh for the playoffs.

 

[majormajor]

Social media clues?

Last week she liked a tweet where someone was worried about the Jackets future.

Some say that means that Jones wants out, I think it probably doesn't mean anything, or at least it shows that the Jones' give a crap about the long term future of the Jackets, which is a good sign. You can rely on DJ to steadily drib drab useless info like that, trust that we'd all be talking about it if it was relevant.

 

[majormajor]

I don’t know if he’s game shape ready after COVID

FWIW most of us reacting to his first game were impressed with Koivu's play. Not sure what you saw.

Sadly Heiskanen is probably the most valuable player of those three

By a large margin. Not sad about it, Heiskanen is amazing.

 

[majormajor]

Comments in various threads re: Jones & Werenski has me thinking that Jarmo needs to have very frank discussions with them about their interest in staying Blue Jackets for the rest of their careers, more so Jones than Werenski because of the UFA/RFA thing. If they are unhappy here trade them now unless there is something that can be done to alleviate their unhappiness (ie. get rid of Torts if that is the reason).

If Jones wants to go back to Dallas then try to strike up a trade there. If Werenski wants to go to Detroit so be it. To have your top line D unhappy and uninterested and not playing to their potential, no good is going to come of that. Two very tradeable assets, so if they want out I think it incumbent on Jarmo to find out can they be salvaged; otherwise get the best deals and move forward.

This situation (if it really is one) needs to be addressed.

Moving this here because it is the proper thread now.

It doesn't make any sense to move Werenski. He'll be fine, I don't even think he's playing badly. You have years of control left, use them.

Jones has been worse and I'm almost to the point that I don't care where he wants to be. He should probably be moved to a rushing team that can make better use of his skating gifts, the static game that the Jackets have been playing in the last year and a half is not something he is especially good at.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Looks like good temporary forward lines to me.

When Laine arrives:

Laine - Texier - Bjorkstrand
Foligno - Domi - Foudy
Jenner - Roslovic - Atkinson/Stenlund
Grigo - Koivu/Nash - Robinson

I'm not committed at all to playing Atkinson every game, not until he starts moving again. Robinson is not going to come out of the lineup if he is playing like this. Koivu and Nash have both been good but since they're old as dirt, I'll rotate them to keep them fresh for the playoffs.

Unfortunately Torts is. Cam has way too much good will earned over the years to get healthy scratched. Oh and he scored last night, that gives Torts even more initiative to play Cam because "getting him going is working". Expect Cam 18+ minutes a night unless something crazy happens and he's flat out comically bad. As much as people say Torts doesn't play favorites, if Wennberg or Duclair started the season the way Cam has, their asses would be healthy scratched after one game. I have yet to see any of the long term guys scratched.

 

[majormajor]

Unfortunately Torts is. Cam has way too much good will earned over the years to get healthy scratched. Oh and he scored last night, that gives Torts even more initiative to play Cam because "getting him going is working". Expect Cam 18+ minutes a night unless something crazy happens and he's flat out comically bad. As much as people say Torts doesn't play favorites, if Wennberg or Duclair started the season the way Cam has, their asses would be healthy scratched after one game. I have yet to see any of the long term guys scratched.

I'm not sure of that. I think Cam might have been getting close to sitting a game. That has been one of the most noteworthy aspects of Torts' coaching over the years. He'll scratch anybody. That or maybe we just disagree on whether Cam was close to "comically bad", because I think he was.

 

[ViD]

Seth is 0+1 -6 in 7 games
Zach is 1+0 -5 in 7 games

Both with very mediocre advanced stats

Gavrikov managed to be +1 and Savard is 0. Both were very solid last few games.

Not sure what’s up with our top d men

 

[Columbus Jack]

I'm not sure of that. I think Cam might have been getting close to sitting a game. That has been one of the most noteworthy aspects of Torts' coaching over the years. He'll scratch anybody. That or maybe we just disagree on whether Cam was close to "comically bad", because I think he was.

I agree with you but it's Torts who needs to believe it. I doubt he does because he played the shit out of him last game and even more so after he scored. How much did he play in OT alone? He took so much ice time over players like Tex and Bjork which is just hilariously sad.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I’m not the biggest Stenlund fan but it’s insane that he’s taken out for Roslovic. He has done nothing to deserve benching. All he does is get in the lineup, do his job, and occasionally pop in a goal.

Not saying Jack shouldn’t go in. But it shouldn’t be for Stenlund

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I’m not the biggest Stenlund fan but it’s insane that he’s taken out for Roslovic.

He's a better player. He's younger and done more and more is expected of him. It's a no brainer.

Take out Nash, Robinson, Foudy.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

He's a better player. He's younger and done more and more is expected of him. It's a no brainer.

Take out Nash, Robinson, Foudy.

Well yes, that’s why I said “Jack should go in but not for Stenlund.”

Foudy has done nothing to warrant benching either. To me it’s Nash or Robinson

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Well yes, that’s why I said “Jack should go in but not for Stenlund.”

Foudy has done nothing to warrant benching either. To me it’s Nash or Robinson

Or both...neither one of Nash/Robinson have done anything to warrant being every day players

Laine-Domi-Atkinson
Jenner-Tex-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Roslovic-Foudy
Grigorenko-Koivu-Stenlund

 

[majormajor]

Or both...neither one of Nash/Robinson have done anything to warrant being every day players

Laine-Domi-Atkinson
Jenner-Tex-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Roslovic-Foudy
Grigorenko-Koivu-Stenlund

Sees Domi and Atkinson together.... unsubscribes from your newsletter.

I'm sure Laine will love having two boat anchors to carry around.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Or both...neither one of Nash/Robinson have done anything to warrant being every day players

Laine-Domi-Atkinson
Jenner-Tex-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Roslovic-Foudy
Grigorenko-Koivu-Stenlund

I like what Robinson has brought. His speed helps our bottom 6. He’s not off limits or anything but I think I’d rather scratch Grigorenko than him (Nash too obviously)

 

[Finner]

Can we please stop even thinking about traiding Jones if theres a opportunity to make a deal with him? He is best dman in organizations history.

If he doesnt want to make a contract with us then with rolling tears at my face, make trade and that breaks my heart.

But like said before winning clears every table, but we must hurry. Laine incoming and if we cant make contender team we not the team where players want to play

 

[ViD]

Or both...neither one of Nash/Robinson have done anything to warrant being every day players

Laine-Domi-Atkinson
Jenner-Tex-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Roslovic-Foudy
Grigorenko-Koivu-Stenlund

Cam doesn’t deserve first line minutes right now

 

[majormajor]

But like said before winning clears every table, but we must hurry. Laine incoming and if we cant make contender team we not the team where players want to play

Can we please stop even thinking about traiding Jones if theres a opportunity to make a deal with him? He is best dman in organizations history.

If he doesnt want to make a contract with us then with rolling tears at my face, make trade and that breaks my heart.

I'm actually somewhat motivated by the "win-now" considerations to consider a Jones trade. I'd expect we could get a very good win-now piece for him, likely a top line forward, possibly a #1C. I don't think we're getting as much out of him relative to his trade value, I don't see us using his strengths as a freewheeling skater.

 

[Cowumbus]

Stenlund should be playing.