Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLIV - Off Season Edition

[bernmeister]

Trading Brass/Zucc is really the elephant in the room.

No one really brings it up or wants to, and for good reason. They are hyper fan favorites. They were the team's leading scorers last year.

But they will be 29 when the season starts. They will demand an absolute king's ransom due to their contracts and production.

It's a ballsy move, the type of ballsy move the Rangers don't seem to make. But if you view the next 2+ years as a re-tool, how do they not at least look at this?

Go fully assed, not half assed.
Assuming there are good offers -- a reasonable expectation and I never said just give these guys away --- I say do all 4 at min (+ staal if that can be swung):
Zuc - half price to Ana for Sami V
Stepan +Nanne to Wild for rights to Dumba + Tuch
Brassard - best offer

deal AV fully paid, pay for Marc Staal's place
Staal reduced to 5.0, + throw in(s)
for 12OA Ot 1st + rights to Hoffman

then
Nash + Hoffman + Lindberg for Hertl + cap dump

But it's the same vision every year:

We aren't that bad, really. All we need to do is make a couple changes and we'll be competing for the cup again.

90% of this board never looks beyond next year. 90% of this board wants to go after expensive, already established names because for them, it's all about next year.

At what point do they cross the line and decide that this team needs to take a step back before they can take 2 steps forward? How bad does the team need to be? How bad does our cap situation need to be?

As long as Girardi and Staal are taking up 11.2 mil on the cap, we aren't competing for the cup. They both have NMCs, so getting rid of either of them will be difficult. We don't have the cap space to even keep the team we had this year. Yandle will most likely be gone. For good or ill, E Staal will be gone. We also likely have the expansion draft coming up within the next 2 years, which will through a wrench into the works.

Now is the perfect time to take a step back, rebuild the farm system and inject some youth into the roster. Why wait until we are a bottom 5 team to do it? If we do it right, we can avoid that altogether. The next 2 years should be all about building a team that can compete 3 years from now, and for many years after. If Hank isn't on board with that, he can ask for a trade.

Pearls of wisdom....

Because we can't, simple as that. Not in a salary cap NHL.

As players get older, they do 2 things:

1) They stop getting better
2) They become more expensive

When you can only spend a finite amount of money on your roster, every dollar counts. You have to maximize the value you get. Younger players almost always have a high value to cost ratio. UFA age vets tend to have lower value to cost ratios.

Yandle at 6 mil makes us a worse team than Yandle at 2.65 mil because that's 3.35 mil we can't spend somewhere else. Or Yandle leaves, so no matter what happens, we are likely to be worse next year.

Our farm system is in shambles. We have 2 impact players and a handful of maybes. Without those young players, we are forced to pay a premium for already established players either through trade or UFA. No team can sustain a high level of success that way in the salary cap era. Look at the really successful teams in this league. They win because they draft well. We did that for a while, then we gave up on it so we could "go for it". It's time to stop trying to go for it every year, take a step back, and rebuild the farm system.

Or do you want a repeat of what happened between 1998 and 2004? Because that's were we are headed. We can take our lumps now and be competing again quicker, or we can continue to go for it every year and make the inevitable collapse that much worse.

pearls x 2+

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Go fully assed, not half assed.
Assuming there are good offers -- a reasonable expectation and I never said just give these guys away --- I say do all 4 at min (+ staal if that can be swung):
Zuc - half price to Ana for Sami V
Stepan +Nanne to Wild for rights to Dumba + Tuch
Brassard - best offer

deal AV fully paid, pay for Marc Staal's place
Staal reduced to 5.0, + throw in(s)
for 12OA Ot 1st + rights to Hoffman

then
Nash + Hoffman + Lindberg for Hertl + cap dump




Pearls of wisdom....



pearls x 2+

I just gagged.

 

[Loff]

Radu was a bum for Nashville back in 2012. He couldn't care less. He's been a headache in the KHL too despite putting up points. Recipe for success.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I just gagged.

They won't even do that if we give them Staal with 100% retained (shame it's not possible)

 

[BBKers]

Yea there's no chance whatsoever that the Rangers are going to trade for 7M of dead cap space.

The Rangers definitely will not, someone else will though

 

[rangers1314]

Boo Nieves had a nice start in Hartford.
Hrivik can play a two-way game suited to the bottom 6.
And we'll see how Adam Tambellini does his second pro year.

I think Fogerty may be the one, outside of Hriv, that we see come and earn a job out of camp. 4 year college player. Projects as a 3/4 C. He could be our opening night 4th line C

 

[RangerBoy]

This summer, Vesey will work out in Foxborough in preparation for his first pro training camp, wherever it may be. With assistance from agent Peter Fish, Vesey will monitor the playoffs, draft, and free agency to select his future employer.

By Aug. 15, when Vesey will be free to negotiate with any NHL team, rosters for 2016-17 will be close to set. Most go-to free agents will have signed by then.

Two franchises will build their teams with Vesey in mind: Toronto and Boston, the favorites to land the Charlestown native.

The Bruins would like a second- or third-line left wing to complement Brad Marchand and Matt Beleskey. The Maple Leafs, who employ Vesey’s father as a scout and drafted younger brother Nolan Vesey in the sixth round in 2014, are interested in every young player who can skate and shoot.

“Once we get closer to the date, we’ll definitely be looking at rosters, prospect pools, and talent,” Vesey said. “I’m definitely someone who would like to stay on top of that and have a good idea of what I want to do in August.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...ed-patience/5OnO3FUhjURr7F7bobeLEN/story.html

The Rangers should and they probably will tell Jimmy "look at our team because our prospect pool sucks and we are in dire need of young players".

 

[Holocene]

Vesey played with Hayes right?

 

[FLYLine27*]

If Leafs land him, they are going to be scary good soon with their prospects.

That said, I'm sure he signs with Boston.

 

[BBKers]

If Leafs land him, they are going to be scary good soon with their prospects.

That said, I'm sure he signs with Boston.

Leafs will find a way to suck anyways
The Cubs on Ice

 

[FLYLine27*]

Leafs will find a way to suck anyways
The Cubs on Ice

Eh, they aren't terrible. They aren't going to be like the Oilers, that's for sure. They have too many grade A prospects to suck much longer.

 

[TheTakedown]

seriously? it's a 7 and a half hour drive.... not really close. That's like saying Hartford, CT is close to Raleigh, NC.... 10 hour drive but you get what I mean

probably like an hour flight though...

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Leafs will find a way to suck anyways
The Cubs on Ice

Ummm... Cubs are amazing now

 

[aufheben]

If Leafs land him, they are going to be scary good soon with their prospects.

That said, I'm sure he signs with Boston.

I think they're going to be very good in a couple years anyway.

 

[NikC]

If its true that AV doesnt like McIlrath, Mac for Yakupov could be a fit. Oilers could use Dylan.

Isn't it great that manament is passing up on 40g snipers like Tarasenko so the clueless coach can not play the defenseman they believe fit an organizational need?

Brilliant.

 

[haveandare]

Eh, they aren't terrible. They aren't going to be like the Oilers, that's for sure. They have too many grade A prospects to suck much longer.

So do the oilers. They both have incompetent management, a long established losing culture and no vets worth anything to guide the young guys. It's about more than raw totals of good prospects.

 

[BBKers]

Ummm... Cubs are amazing now

Come on Purple
It´s May. Early May.
Come October then we shall see a different melody

Some things just are the way they are
You cannot change it
No matter how much you would like to
Paradoxal fate

Cub fan for life btw

 

[BBKers]

Isn't it great that management is passing up on 40g snipers like Tarasenko so the clueless coach can not play the defenseman they believe fit an organizational need?

Brilliant.

MOAR Grit
MOAR Size
MOAR Glen

 

[aufheben]

So do the oilers. They both have incompetent management, a long established losing culture and no vets worth anything to guide the young guys. It's about more than raw totals of good prospects.

Leafs have a great coach.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Leafs have a great coach.

And Shannahan and Lamoriello in the front office.

 

[darko]

Leafs are going to be good. They are built differently to Oilers.

 

[ecemleafs]

Ivan Telegin looked awesome in the game against Switzerland. A bit like Stalberg and Chimera.

 

[nevesis]

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Ivan Telegin looked awesome in the game against Switzerland. A bit like Stalberg and Chimera.

Yeah, no thanks. He had 9 points in the KHL this season, in a full season. Thats not enough to play in the NHL.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Do people really think there will be major changes or do you just expect the same team with McI replacing Boyle, Skjei replacing Yandle, Hrivik replacing Moore, Buch replacing Staal and Jensen replacing Stalberg with maybe a free agent signing or two as a 13F or 7D?