Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Mike Bossy didn't play for the Caps.

Neither did Wayne Gretzky.

 

[Fitzy]

Neither did Wayne Gretzky.

 

[Avery16]

seems like Frederic and Debrusk haven’t played much this postseason. Hard to think a deal can’t be struck.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

seems like Frederic and Debrusk haven’t played much this postseason. Hard to think a deal can’t be struck.

Why would we want to strike one?

 

[East Coast Bias]

seems like Frederic and Debrusk haven’t played much this postseason. Hard to think a deal can’t be struck.

The way things go, yeah - probably as a package with picks for Hertl, to replace the Krejci hole.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

seems like Frederic and Debrusk haven’t played much this postseason. Hard to think a deal can’t be struck.

I like Frederic, he plays C and is cheaper then DeBrusk who needs a rather high QO. Maybe they throw in the rights to Halak in case we trade Georgie, we can talk to him early. They’d want a bigger LD - which means Robertson and that makes me pause unless they want a pick and lesser player, say a 3rd and Tarmo or Hajek

 

[haohmaru]

Neither did Wayne Gretzky.

Bossy was a better goal scorer than Gretzky. Gretzky had more goals in more games but check out goals per game stats. Bossy was better than 99 or 8 and I’m by no means an Islanders fan.

 

[haohmaru]

That's why he said best goal scorer of all time.

Which is Bossy, not Ovie.

 

[Trxjw]

I continue to believe that Dvorak is the appropriate option if you are looking to replace Strome with a better two-way and faceoff center. He's about to start getting a lot more base salary, Arizona is probably stuck looking at another rebuild. He's young, and on a very reasonable long term contract for a 2C.

Jones for Dvorak could be a starting point.

Wasn't the word that Arizona didn't want to move him? I feel like they'll give that group another go with a new coach to see if it can get back on the right track. He'd be a strong target though. I'd be eyeing guys from that 2014 draft who could use a change of scenery the way Sam "Definitely just a 4th liner" Bennett did.

Fischer or Crouse would be interesting additions as well. Though I think Fischer and Gauthier might be redundant players. Speedy RHS wingers with size who haven't put together the offensive game but can bang bodies.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

OV is easily the greatest goal scorer

OV scores at similar rates to those guys in a time where scoring goals is twice as hard.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

I signed Frederic as a 4th line C in NHL 21 and won the cup that year so obviously we should trade for him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Bossy was a better goal scorer than Gretzky. Gretzky had more goals in more games but check out goals per game stats. Bossy was better than 99 or 8 and I’m by no means an Islanders fan.

Gretzky played long enough to decline, Bossy didn't so goals per game isn't exactly an indicator of who was a better scorer. There is only one way to compare them and its over the length of time that Bossy played, around 10 years. Im not sure of the math on that but I'm fairly positive it would favour Gretzky.

 

[Vitto79]

The high end guys will get paid, the medium end guys will get squeezed and the low end guys will take minimum anyways.

Buffalo is selling. What about Eakin for Howden
1- little over 2 million for a faceoff guy only 1 yr

 

[BKGooner]

OV= Brett Hull nothing more, nothing less. Sorry - I will give him that he is much more physical than Hull.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

OV is easily the greatest goal scorer

OV scores at similar rates to those guys in a time where scoring goals is twice as hard.

And people seem to overlook that OV has lost essentially 2+ seasons of his career due to Lockouts and Covid.

With those games, he's on Gretzky's heels right now.

 

[SA16]

Bossy was a better goal scorer than Gretzky. Gretzky had more goals in more games but check out goals per game stats. Bossy was better than 99 or 8 and I’m by no means an Islanders fan.

His goals/game is higher because he retired at age 30. Gretzky had a higher goals/game from his debut to age 30 than Bossy had.

 

[Barnaby]

Can we steal Trotz from the Isles please?

If the NYR had hired Trotz everyone would be going apesh*t that he and the organization are more concerned with just getting into the playoffs instead of developing the young offensive talent. "We are rebuilding, we shouldn't try to give that up just to squeak into an 8 seed." Screams would be heard that he's a terrible developmental coach. This brand of hockey won't get you over the top. You guys think Quinn road his vets? Try Trotz.

I swear, grass is always greener. That's why every Ranger coach in the last 30 years gets lambasted. "If we had just hired coach _____ then we'd be worlds better. Of course, some with reason, but others much less so.

 

[Barnaby]

seems like Frederic and Debrusk haven’t played much this postseason. Hard to think a deal can’t be struck.

So guys that Boston doesn't want to risk putting in during the playoffs.... is our answer to get into the playoffs and win?

 

[Avery16]

So guys that Boston doesn't want to risk putting in during the playoffs.... is our answer to get into the playoffs and win?

We might not be hiring Bruce Cassidy this off-season.

 

[Barnaby]

His goals/game is higher because he retired at age 30. Gretzky had a higher goals/game from his debut to age 30 than Bossy had.

Jagr would be the poster child for this. You can't compare the guy points per game fairly vs almost all other stars because the guy played long enough to be a shell of himself in his prime. If he retired at 33 his points per game would be astronomically higher. He played in the NHL until he was roughly 45.

 

[Barnaby]

We might not be hiring Bruce Cassidy this off-season.

I wouldn't mind Frederic if the price was right... no real interest in DeBrusk thought.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

We might not be hiring Bruce Cassidy this off-season.

Also these are kinds of the "players" (how they play, size, grit) Rangers do need some of. I'm not saying specifically them but if the price is reasonable its not the worst idea. I'd look into Frederic first because he can play center and probably cheap. He was also a 1st round pick, there are wingers who can help the issues the Rangers have there (size/grit) in FA likely cheaper.

 

[haohmaru]

His goals/game is higher because he retired at age 30. Gretzky had a higher goals/game from his debut to age 30 than Bossy had.

I’m evaluating careers, not time periods. Gretzky hit 30+once in his last 7 or 8 years. That’s part of the equation.

 

[haohmaru]

Honestly, you can make a case for all three to be the best and not be wrong. Gretzky, Bossy, Ovie.

Ovie, however, is the best power forward of all time.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I didn't focus on it too much because there was so much important stuff going on here at the same time, and the team was so bad at checking overall that it could have been the coach's fault/systemic, but man. Brendan Lemieux looked like a great guy to bring in with that Hayes trade and he was kind of a bum.