Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIII

[Thirty One]

Hrivik, Jensen, Newbury, Jooris, Nieves, Fogarty, Powe, Mashinter, Ferriero.

What is this a list of?

 

[Do you want ants]

What is this a list of?

1st liners we threw away for nothing.

 

[Thirty One]

1st liners we threw away for nothing.

Debatable.

 

[frisland]

What is this a list of?

replacement level players who can be found for cheap every offseason....but no lets pay boo $1m

 

[Gardner McKay]

That's why I prefaced it with that exact question. Is it too much of a cap hit all things considered?

Maybe adding Smith moves the needle slightly. Maybe they add a pick or a cheaper player. Kreider is still a 50 point wing and Draisaitl is a 70 point player. Maybe he's a center. Maybe he's a product of McDavid.

It's a talking point, but at the same time I'd like to put out something realistic for both sides. I can imagine Oiler fans would shout down my basis immediately.

I don't think this is a maybe. Last time I looked, his Draisaitl's stats indicated that he was an above average 2nd line C away from McDavid... making 8 million a year.

I'm not trading Kreider to get back a 2C and taking on one of the WORST contracts in the NHL.

I get where you're coming from, I really do. Draisaitl just is not that guy.

 

[Avery16]

If they don’t plan on offering Nieves a QO does it really matter?

For all we know they are going to swap him for another tweener or throw him in a trade as cheap depth.

I don’t see him getting significant pay raise even if we do keep him to make this an issue. I only see us resigning him if we plan to expose him to the expansion draft anyways.

His value in a trade is low, but significantly more as a pending RFA than as a pending UFA.

 

[Avery16]

Hrivik, Jensen, Newbury, Jooris, Nieves, Fogarty, Powe, Mashinter, Ferriero.

We retained Jensen’s rights.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Draisaitl isnt going anywhere.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

We retained Jensen’s rights.

And none of those were good enough to really make an impact on the 4th line.

 

[Thirty One]

The chances of Boo playing in each of the last 34 games is small, anyways. So no, they likely didn't call him up one game too late.

 

[RangerBoy]

He did say the Rangers will be seeking much more than Bowers. A good deal can be made without the OTT 1st or Makar. We’ll see where they stand in a few weeks.

If it’s the Avalanche, how much more is Sakic paying for a rental assuming Bowers is the player being offered by the Avs?

The Rangers have their high IQ way centers in Andersson and Howden.

The Avs own 1st round pick would need to be in the trade. The Rangers aren’t probably getting a first for Zuccarello. They don’t have many other players who can get a 1st in a trade. Gorton would like to add more first and second round picks.

I am a little skeptical of the Avs trading for a rental. Meeting the Rangers asking price for a rental. They are not a Cup contender. Winnipeg traded a 1st to rent Statsny because they are Cup contender. The Avs aren’t there yet.

Kreider would fit the Avs. He is signed for more season. They can re-sign him this summer. $7M AAV for 5-6-7 years. Kreider and Zibanejad can bring back first round picks as part of a trade.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I don't think this is a maybe. Last time I looked, his Draisaitl's stats indicated that he was an above average 2nd line C away from McDavid... making 8 million a year.

I'm not trading Kreider to get back a 2C and taking on one of the WORST contracts in the NHL.

I get where you're coming from, I really do. Draisaitl just is not that guy.

That's my impression too. If we had a bad contract with longer term, Smith for 6 more years for example, there is maybe more of an incentive.

 

[JimmyG89]

Draisaitl isnt going anywhere now that Chia is gone.

FTFY

 

[East Coast Bias]

I wouldn't be trading for rentals if I'm the Avs. I get they have pressure to make the playoffs because of a streak of bad years, but in they play it right they're going to be in really good shape.

Should have a top 3 pick (OTT) and could have another in the 10-15 range (their own), along with some cap space to fill holes.

I certainly wouldn't be throwing around assets for Hayes next month if I were them.

 

[Bob Richards]

I actually forgot Marek Hrivik was a person

 

[Do you want ants]

His value in a trade is low, but significantly more as a pending RFA than as a pending UFA.

What’s significantly more for a NHL tweener? A 5th instead of a 7th?

I just fail to see how this is some glaring mistake.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Can GMs execute trades during these breaks or it's like you can't even discuss; which I'm sure many wouldn't follow anyhow.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I actually forgot Marek Hrivik was a person

I remember HF having a problem with his nickname "the frog" for some reason. I never understood what the problem was. His last name just sounds a frog.

 

[cheech70]

Nikita Zadorov Freidmans 31 thoughts... he is on the trading block...any good for us as part of Hayes Deal? Another lefty

 

[E-Train]

If it’s the Avalanche, how much more is Sakic paying for a rental assuming Bowers is the player being offered by the Avs?

The Rangers have their high IQ way centers in Andersson and Howden.

The Avs own 1st round pick would need to be in the trade. The Rangers aren’t probably getting a first for Zuccarello. They don’t have many other players who can get a 1st in a trade. Gorton would like to add more first and second round picks.

I am a little skeptical of the Avs trading for a rental. Meeting the Rangers asking price for a rental. They are not a Cup contender. Winnipeg traded a 1st to rent Statsny because they are Cup contender. The Avs aren’t there yet.

Kreider would fit the Avs. He is signed for more season. They can re-sign him this summer. $7M AAV for 5-6-7 years. Kreider and Zibanejad can bring back first round picks as part of a trade.

If the Avs don’t continue plummeting, they’d be more likely to make a deal. Their 1st, Jost and the OTT 3rd for Hayes. I’m not ready to move Zib or Kreider quite yet if at all.

Hayes is the only one bringing back a 1st that is definitely being moved. 2nd and a B+ prospect for Zucc. 3rd and some change for McQuaid.

 

[Kupo]

I actually forgot Marek Hrivik was a person

I recall Bern trying to convince everyone that he could replace Nash.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I recall Bern trying to convince everyone that he could replace Nash.

And Duncan Siemens could replace McDonagh.

 

[Ori]

Draisaitl isnt going anywhere.

I predict them taking an Pierre Dorion in about two years. Oilers have almost 0 depth scoring while their youngest prospects are rushed into NHL, and their defense is far from great. And somehow they signed a 30 years old goalie - someone named Mikko Koskinen who is this guy? He has a total of 32 NHL games in his whole career and they signed him for 4.5 mil $ and that is ridiculous! It`s like a Disney story, but it all happened some days ago. So they need a major overhaul concerning their pro. scouting staff, and a new contract policy direction. I really don`t know if Mc David is going to stay for this long.

 

[BringBackLibertys]

Ohhhh, crazy Boo thoughts. If we trade him to a team that has played one less game then us, and he plays every game for the rest of their season, is he back to being an RFA? That would suck for him if it's a place no one wants to play *cough*Edmenton*cough* LOL

 

[Lion Hound]

Hayes for Bowers and the Avs 1st I think is bang on for #13 from a Value standpoint.

Weird though...And someone above posted out. Two clubs that have been mentioned frequesntly in trade talks regarding Zucc and Hayes are Avs, and Buff. Not just speculation, but from Beat writers and what not. Both clubs are not really playoff contenders. They both have some nice pieces in the right places, however will they buy rentals? Same for Edmonton. These are the three clubs that have been mentioned most.


Surprised Nashville, Winnepeg, Toronto, Tampa haven't been mentioned more often. Would think those are the clubs looking to buy the rental player for the run.