Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?

[Lone Ranger]

We traded Stepan because his contract was about to become unpalatable, and our GM believed, rightly, that we'd seen his best, and that his ceiling might not have been quite what we needed from a 1C. If he feels the same way about Hayes, he has to trade him as soon as possible. If he thinks that Hayes has another strata that he can still reach, back up the Brinks truck and pay the man.

 

[Avery16]

We traded Stepan because his contract was about to become unpalatable, and our GM believed, rightly, that we'd seen his best, and that his ceiling might not have been quite what we needed from a 1C. If he feels the same way about Hayes, he has to trade him as soon as possible. If he thinks that Hayes has another strata that he can still reach, back up the Brinks truck and pay the man.

Yes, but three things: Stepan was making more than what Hayes is going to get. Stepans NTC was about to kick in. Nash’s cap hit was strangling us. That’s gone now.

 

[Tawnos]

Yes, but three things: Stepan was making more than what Hayes is going to get. Stepans NTC was about to kick in. Nash’s cap hit was strangling us. That’s gone now.

I think Hayes will get more than Stepan in real dollars, but less in cap %

 

[Dijock94]

You guys think Hayes would turn down a 5x5.75 with a limited not trade?

 

[QJL]

You guys think Hayes would turn down a 5x5.75 with a limited not trade?

Definitely. Only way he takes that is if he has a Shatty-level fascination with being a Ranger. He’s getting $6.5m+ on the open market.

 

[Riche16]

Hayes is a nice player. I like him.

We need elite not nice.

Anything else is just lipstick on a pig.

Just one bullet to fire for elite is worth trading him. If it makes us terrible again then so be it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hayes is a dead man walking. It's pretty obvious they are auditioning our centers to see what we have if we trade him and at the same time trying to up Hayes value by increasing his point totals by putting him with Zibanajad and Kreider.

 

[RangerBoy]

Can't disagree here.

I like Skjei very much but he has been abysmal. For every one good play he makes, he makes three bad ones. He looks tentative. No confidence. He played better with Beukeboom as his D coach. Ruff is in his 2nd year behind the Rangers bench and Skjei looks lost. Skjei and Beukeboom were together in HFD and then in NY.

The rest of the D is bad. Really bad.

Ruff is no Larry Robinson. Greg Brown is there too.

Not blaming Ruff because Skjei is a big boy. Is it a coincidence then? His two worst seasons are with Ruff working with the D on the bench and in practice.

 

[kovazub94]

Wouldn’t pass a tear if Ruff is moved. Wasn’t happy with his signing. Silver lining is at least he wasn’t given the head coaching gig after AV was let go.

 

[Avery16]

Can't disagree here.

I like Skjei very much but he has been abysmal. For every one good play he makes, he makes three bad ones. He looks tentative. No confidence. He played better with Beukeboom as his D coach. Ruff is in his 2nd year behind the Rangers bench and Skjei looks lost. Skjei and Beukeboom were together in HFD and then in NY.

The rest of the D is bad. Really bad.

Ruff is no Larry Robinson. Greg Brown is there too.

Not blaming Ruff because Skjei is a big boy. Is it a coincidence then? His two worst seasons are with Ruff working with the D on the bench and in practice.

I wonder how Beuk or Samuelsson would’ve fared with Quinn. Ruff seems like maybe an insurance policy to Quinn more than defensive specialist.

 

[Ola]

I wonder how Beuk or Samuelsson would’ve fared with Quinn. Ruff seems like maybe an insurance policy to Quinn more than defensive specialist.

Ruff is probably a solid option for a transition guy. Someone that can hold Quinn's hand so to speak. Like when Quinn comes to an arena he has no clue where the lockerroom is or where you enter the place. Or of course he has been an assistent in the NHL, but like about 278 other items are probably completely new to him. It cannot be a bad idea to have a guy in place that have been a NHL coach for 35 years, like 29 as a HC and 6 as an assistant HC or something like that.

 

[Ola]

Can't disagree here.

I like Skjei very much but he has been abysmal. For every one good play he makes, he makes three bad ones. He looks tentative. No confidence. He played better with Beukeboom as his D coach. Ruff is in his 2nd year behind the Rangers bench and Skjei looks lost. Skjei and Beukeboom were together in HFD and then in NY.

The rest of the D is bad. Really bad.

Ruff is no Larry Robinson. Greg Brown is there too.

Not blaming Ruff because Skjei is a big boy. Is it a coincidence then? His two worst seasons are with Ruff working with the D on the bench and in practice.

Its no coincidence, but the reason for it is without any doubt that Skjei went from playing the easiest minutes with Smith on the 3rd pair to getting a lot tougher minutes the last two seasons. I've been around this block a million times, but it is a fact that the pairing under AV that played the "3rd pairing" minutes consistently got the easiest minutes and always -- really always -- had great CF%. Then AV had a top pairing that got the hardest minutes and always -- except one year with McD-Klein -- had bad to horrible CF%.

For years there have been claims that the guys on the 3rd pair just couldn't do a worse job than the guys on the top pair, Clendenning, Smith, Skjei, anyone could handle the shut down job better than the top pairing guy? Then its tried and the results are the same.

Skjei's usage this year haven't been that tough, but he is struggling. Its not the same as always getting those easier shifts on the 3rd pair. Young Ds always struggle on tanking teams.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

You haven’t been paying attention to K’awesome have you?

That's "Special K" thank you very much.

 

[Blue Blooded]

That's "Special K" thank you very much.

I'm still partial to K'Andre the Giant myself.

 

[Waivers]

Skjei can't handle a routine 1/2D assignment at all. Not sure why people are surprised - look what he has to work with! The D is a flaming bag of shit. We are not competing, even with Kravtsov and Panarin(?), without getting at least a real 1/2D with experience. Is Shattenkirk supposed to be the defenseman who mentors Skjei like McDonagh was going to be before being traded? Yikes.

 

[True Blue]

Skjei can't handle a routine 1/2D assignment at all. Not sure why people are surprised - look what he has to work with! The D is a flaming bag of ****. We are not competing, even with Kravtsov and Panarin(?), without getting at least a real 1/2D with experience. Is Shattenkirk supposed to be the defenseman who mentors Skjei like McDonagh was going to be before being traded? Yikes.

The has been a mess from the beginning. When Staal is your steadiest defensive performer, what do you expect? I like both Pionk & DeAngelo, but they are rookies and are going to go through growing pains. Skej is NOT meant to be a top pairing d-man. Cleasson has been ok and has exceeded my expectations, but he is also a third pairing defenseman. If your starting 6 is come combination that includes Shattenkirk, Smith & Staal, your overall defensive game is going to suffer.

 

[offdacrossbar]

This defense doesn’t have a top pair guy. Duh.

We’ve got a bunch of 2nd and 3rd pair guys and the over all defense suffers because of that.

When you have guys playing out of position - even talented guys, you diminish the effectiveness of the individual player and the group as a whole.

That’s our defense.

 

[Thirty One]

What do you make of this comment? Couple of days ago Quinn said he's basically ready to play.

Sounds like Zucc has bailed out. He did say he's just waiting for a trade, this was probably not a joke.

From the way you describe him, he sounds like a real problem child.

 

[GAGLine]

From the way you describe him, he sounds like a real problem child.

He's probably hanging out with the wrong people.

 

[Kupo]

He's probably hanging out with the wrong people.

Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are.

-Mom & Dad

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I'm still partial to K'Andre the Giant myself.

Special K, the Giant. Has kind of an old-school hip-hop flavor.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I wonder how Beuk or Samuelsson would’ve fared with Quinn. Ruff seems like maybe an insurance policy to Quinn more than defensive specialist.

Ruff was kept around to babysit in case the first time coaches needed guidance

I hope he's gone next year so Greg Brown can take over full time himself.

 

[Webster]

From the way you describe him, he sounds like a real problem child.

I think it has more with lack of respect, the Rangers haven't treated him well this season.

There was an article about this a while ago, retweeted by his dad. So I guess it will explain a few things..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think it has more with lack of respect, the Rangers haven't treated him well this season.

There was an article about this a while ago, retweeted by his dad. So I guess it will explain a few things..

A very subjective article. No player is more important than the team, not even Lundqvist. If the Rangers decide to move on from Zuccarello, that's not a lack of respect. It's just running a business. We are not in this to bake cupcakes and give out free hugs

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think it has more with lack of respect, the Rangers haven't treated him well this season.

There was an article about this a while ago, retweeted by his dad. So I guess it will explain a few things..

What are they supposed to do for him?

Get down on their hands and knees and be his personal foot stool, and throw down their jackets so he doesn't have to walk in puddles?

We're talking about Zucc here not McDavid