Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?

[Ghost of jas]

I agree that we aren't at a full tear down place, and the team isn't bad enough to pick as high as they would need to under that direction.

But I'm not sure I like 93, 13, and 21 down the gut.

Not only do cup winners generally have an elite center, the last team to win one without a Hall of Fame center was a long time ago. We need to do better there, or we're heading right back where we were (good but not good enough).

I’ve said before that re-signing Hayes is repeating the same pattern of the last run. If you’re not willing to move Hayes, why move McDonagh last year? He left a much more difficult hole to fill than trading Hayes does. I’d rather have paid McDonagh long term than Hayes.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’ve said before that re-signing Hayes is repeating the same pattern of the last run. If you’re not willing to move Hayes, why move McDonagh last year? He left a much more difficult hole to fill than trading Hayes does. I’d rather have paid McDonagh long term than Hayes.

This feb-June will tell us more about this rebuild than last year did.

They did everything they set out to do, but now we’ll see how serious they are about following through.

It’s clear as f***ing day that they don’t need zuccarello, Hayes has played well though but I agree with MH and others who say that he is not a pivotal piece.

 

[Machinehead]

I’ve said before that re-signing Hayes is repeating the same pattern of the last run. If you’re not willing to move Hayes, why move McDonagh last year? He left a much more difficult hole to fill than trading Hayes does. I’d rather have paid McDonagh long term than Hayes.

We moved on from McDonagh because we're hoping K'Andre Miller wins a Norris on contract #2, just like we'd be moving on from Hayes because we want Center X to score 80 points on his ELC.

We need better talent than we had last run and paying very good talent a lot of money is going to hurt us down the road if we do find elite talent.

If we don't find elite talent and also got rid of Hayes, then we'll just suck with nothing to spend our cap on, but that's the risk you take to put together a true contender.

 

[Avery16]

Zucc and Hayes both help a lot on many nights. But they are both pending UFAs and we are a rebuilding team. Thems the breaks. Have to see whats available out there for them and how we can put ourselves in a better position to chase the Cup in a couple seasons. Need a young top pairing LD, if Lindgren or Hajek won't be ready and Skjei can't step up.

 

[Ghost of jas]

This feb-June will tell us more about this rebuild than last year did.

They did everything they set out to do, but now we’ll see how serious they are about following through.

It’s clear as ****ing day that they don’t need zuccarello, Hayes has played well though but I agree with MH and others who say that he is not a pivotal piece.

I believe that once the Rangers didn’t sign Hayes long-term, he was getting moved. But, until he gets moved, we’re going to be subjected to the ‘sign him’ posts. I reiterate...if the goal is simply to repeat previous success, sure, sign Hayes long-term and wonder why this team doesn’t win a Cup. If the goal is to win Cups, go out and get as much high-end talent as possible. I’ll take my chances that the group that just drafted Kravtsov and Miller will be successful with the same approach in the upcoming draft.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You haven’t been paying attention to K’awesome have you?

 

[Avery16]

Zucc and Hayes both help a lot on many nights. But they are both pending UFAs and we are a rebuilding team. Thems the breaks. Have to see whats available out there for them and how we can put ourselves in a better position to chase the Cup in a couple seasons. Need a young top pairing LD, if Lindgren or Hajek won't be ready and Skjei can't step up.

Likewise, moving Hayes does create a 2C void. Chytil might get there eventually, but he's being outplayed by Howden who is not himself projected to be more than a 3C. Andersson looking more like a 3C, but maybe someday a dominant one. We will need a solid, younger 2C.

 

[Ghost of jas]

We moved on from McDonagh because we're hoping K'Andre Miller wins a Norris on contract #2, just like we'd be moving on from Hayes because we want Center X to score 80 points on his ELC.

We need better talent than we had last run and paying very good talent a lot of money is going to hurt us down the road if we do find elite talent.

If we don't find elite talent and also got rid of Hayes, then we'll just suck with nothing to spend our cap on, but that's the risk you take to put together a true contender.

This has been my mantra since the letter came out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s really a now issue and one that may be solved in a few months.

What they need is either a C to drop zibnajed to #2 or a winger who is so good that he can carry a line.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Likewise, moving Hayes does create a 2C void. Chytil might get there eventually, but he's being outplayed by Howden who is not himself projected to be more than a 3C. Andersson looking more like a 3C, but maybe someday a dominant one. We will need a solid, younger 2C.

Fortunately, the upcoming draft is chock full of of quality centers.

 

[Avery16]

Fortunately, the upcoming draft is chock full of of quality centers.

but will they be ready in enough time? Or else we'll be having this same convo in a couple seasons re: Zibanejad and Buchnevich instead of Hayes and Zuccarello

 

[Machinehead]

This has been my mantra since the letter came out.

My mantra has been: I don't wanna be the team that's good and has generational goaltending. I wanna be the team that's beating the shit out of everyone and can get by with good goaltending.

You either need a fistful of superstars (Pittsburgh, Washington) or you need to absolutely dominate the flow of play (Chicago, LA).

The 2012-2015 Rangers, as fun as they were, did neither.

 

[Avery16]

Its not paying off for them right now, but Blues used some magic in getting Schenn and ROR. Those deals were amazing, and if they had a G and maybe a winning system they'd be doing a lot more right now with that roster.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

but will they be ready in enough time?

Yes, If they position themselves well enough to get one of the best ones or get really lucky in the lottery.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I wouldn't have a problem with re-signing KH, but I can definitely understand the arguments being made against it. I just hope we find that other high-end center. Think our wings will be fine with Kreider (assuming he's re-signed), Buch, Chytil, Kravtsov, Panarin?

 

[Machinehead]

I wouldn't have a problem with re-signing KH, but I can definitely understand the arguments being made against it. I just hope we find that other high-end center. Think our wings will be fine with Kreider (assuming he's re-signed), Buch, Chytil, Kravtsov, Panarin?

If we sign Panarin, our wing situation is extremely dank.

With good centers, and provided Chytil and Kravtsov meet expectations, I put those 5 up against any 5 in the league.

 

[Webster]

What do you make of this comment? Couple of days ago Quinn said he's basically ready to play.

Sounds like Zucc has bailed out. He did say he's just waiting for a trade, this was probably not a joke.

 

[DutchShamrock]

What do you make of this comment? Couple of days ago Quinn said he's basically ready to play.

Sounds like Zucc has bailed out. He did say he's just waiting for a trade, this was probably not a joke.

I take it as a guy made two false starts and set back his health by returning too early. So the team is holding him out until his easily re-injured groin is fully healed. Therefore, the coach would be surprised if he is deemed ready for tomorrow's game.

Was.... there more to really... read into there....?

 

[FireGerardGallant]

What do you make of this comment? Couple of days ago Quinn said he's basically ready to play.

Sounds like Zucc has bailed out. He did say he's just waiting for a trade, this was probably not a joke.

It just means he isnt ready yet

 

[Machinehead]

What do you make of this comment? Couple of days ago Quinn said he's basically ready to play.

Sounds like Zucc has bailed out. He did say he's just waiting for a trade, this was probably not a joke.

He's hurt, that's what I make of it.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Wait wait wait. Anderson wont be more than a (potential) elite 3C? They kid has played what 20 NHL games so far.

Step back from the ledge.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You haven’t been paying attention to K’awesome have you?

K'Awesome and KravtsHOF

 

[mike14]

If we sign Panarin, our wing situation is extremely dank.

With good centers, and provided Chytil and Kravtsov meet expectations, I put those 5 up against any 5 in the league.

I'm clearly not hanging with the cool kids; does dank no longer mean old/musty/crappy? Or are you saying that even with Panarin our wingers would be bad?

 

[kovazub94]

K'Awesome and KravtsHOF

 

[Machinehead]

I'm clearly not hanging with the cool kids; does dank no longer mean old/musty/crappy? Or are you saying that even with Panarin our wingers would be bad?

Dank is very good.

Dank is like so good it's dirty. Like how dekes/shots can be described as "filthy."