Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVI: Artemi, where art thou? In NY.

[haohmaru]

No talk of the rebuild until the letter, but the actions leading to that letter should have been an indicator.

Brassard for Mika and a 2nd

Stepan & Raanta for 7OA and ADA

The letter was final confirmation, but the writing was on the wall

Gorton used the word “rebuild” summer of 2017. Pretty clear when you trade your “# 1” center for a pick & prospect that you’re leaving a sinking ship.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Don't they usually officially announce them all at once normally? Usually we might hear a leak though of a couple players.

Honestly don't remember. Would make sense if that's the case.

 

[Kovalev27]

Would just be a bad business decision not to file for arbitration. Both Buchy and Trouba should be doing so and thus opening up another buyout window for us which imo we will need.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He didn't pay him more than he's worth. Nylander's contract is a bargain.

Nylander should have been a bridge deal somewhere close to 5 mill.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'd easily give up 4 1st rounders for Marner.

Hes 22 and worth it.

I totally agree...especially if you are a team like Boston who would be top of the league with a player like Marner for the next 4 or 5 years making the 1st rounders more like 2nds

 

[Avery16]

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Aha

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Shattenkirk has to be moved, retain salary or whatever but it would be best to move him now instead of having him struggle at the start of the season and being stuck with him. I dont see them moving Staal. Smith I feel might end up on the 4th line due to the lack of toughness in the lineup outside of Lemieux, it would be nice to get rid of his contract but I'm not sure that's happening.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Why are people so against Gusev, he has the potential to put up the same or more points than Kreider and for only 4MM a year. Essentially you avoid paying Kreider 7MM by getting a guy with the same offensive output at a cheaper price than Kreids is currently.

 

[GregSirico]

Man, I want Gusev.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Why are people so against Gusev, he has the potential to put up the same or more points than Kreider and for only 4MM a year. Essentially you avoid paying Kreider 7MM by getting a guy with the same offensive output at a cheaper price than Kreids is currently.

Gusev only makes sense if you're moving both Kreider and Buch, and likely sending them somewhere other than Vegas. That's a lot of movement to accommodate just one player – especially one who may not be better than either of the two you'd be moving out, who are already under team control...

 

[bl02]

I just want to get rid of Staal and Smith, man. Attach assets to get them off this team.

Won't come cheap (asset/picks cheap).

 

[cheech70]

Kreider at 50% for Gusev seems pretty fair ....I don't get adding Clarkson?

 

[GAGLine]

So it would appear, this would work:

Kreider + Nieves (Vegas needs a 4C per their capfriendly)
for
Gusev + Clarkson + Reaves + LV 3rd '20 + LV 2nd '21

The Rangers would need to then move:

Namestnikov for picks/prospects

Shattenkirk with $2m retained

Buyout Smith

And it would all fit for both teams. Unless Vegas would move Reaves in a separate deal elsewhere

Something like that

You realize we already have to clear at least 7 mil to pay our RFAs, right?

 

[bl02]

I get the feel that with Panarin signed Gorton now has a tougher job to get something maybe a bit more NHL ready than a first round draft pick in 2020??? And on top of that someone who isn't making much. That is not gonna be an easy job for sure.

 

[bl02]

Gusev is a wing right? Can he play center?

 

[GAGLine]

Kreider at 50% for Gusev seems pretty fair ....I don't get adding Clarkson?

No, that doesn't make sense either. If Gusev is going to get 4 mil, then we are adding cap. We need to shed cap. Do people not understand that?

 

[GAGLine]

I get the feel that with Panarin signed Gorton now has a tougher job to get something maybe a bit more NHL ready than a first round draft pick in 2020??? And on top of that someone who isn't making much. That is not gonna be an easy job for sure.

That's what I've been saying, but people are acting like not only will it be easy to move all those contracts without retaining, but we can trade for guys like Gusev at the same time. Fantasy land.

 

[Irishguy42]

Gusev is a wing right? Can he play center?

He purely plays wing.

 

[pld459666]

Gorton used the word “rebuild” summer of 2017. Pretty clear when you trade your “# 1” center for a pick & prospect that you’re leaving a sinking ship.

I agree. I was replying to someone that stated there was no talk of a rebuild until the letter

 

[SA16]

Nylander should have been a bridge deal somewhere close to 5 mill.

If Nylander was worth 5.0 on a bridge and signed for 6.9 long term that means after the bridge he would sign for SIGNIFICANTLY more than he got.

 

[Fitzy]

I like the idea of Gusev, but it would take some serious(And potentially very costly) moves to get us under the cap with him in the fold.

 

[bl02]

That's what I've been saying, but people are acting like not only will it be easy to move all those contracts without retaining, but we can trade for guys like Gusev at the same time. Fantasy land.

and with the fact there are other teams obviously pursuing Gusev which should drive up the price. And aren't the Knights in cap hell? They can't take on money and neither can we at this point. There is no way we can get him! like literally no way or am I missing something?

 

[Kupo]

Why are people so against Gusev, he has the potential to put up the same or more points than Kreider and for only 4MM a year. Essentially you avoid paying Kreider 7MM by getting a guy with the same offensive output at a cheaper price than Kreids is currently.

Man, I want Gusev.

Gusev only makes sense if you're moving both Kreider and Buch, and likely sending them somewhere other than Vegas. That's a lot of movement to accommodate just one player – especially one who may not be better than either of the two you'd be moving out, who are already under team control...

This.

We need to clear about 8M now to re-sign our guys. In addition to that, we'll have to clear out even more to accommodate Gusev. That's a lot of movement and although I'd love to add Gusev, it seems more of a luxury than a need.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

I get the feel that with Panarin signed Gorton now has a tougher job to get something maybe a bit more NHL ready than a first round draft pick in 2020??? And on top of that someone who isn't making much. That is not gonna be an easy job for sure.

Ya, I’m hoping that Gorton can bring back a guy who can play next season if he does decide to trade Kreider. Although, if we DO get something like a 2020 first and a B prospect, he could look to package some of our more expendable assets plus that pick for an NHL upgrade, so I think he does have some options here.

A lot of it depends on what happens with Smith/Shattenkirk. I could see a buyout happening now that we know for sure that Panarin is in tow.

 

[bl02]

He purely plays wing.

So the ideal situation would be for JG to somehow get a young low cost center for Names and/or Kreider (probably the latter) who has a Mika lite type potential. Especially, if most of us feel that Chytil/Strome isn't the answer to the 2c spot.