Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVI: Artemi, where art thou? In NY.

[GAGLine]

and with the fact there are other teams obviously pursuing Gusev which should drive up the price. And aren't the Knights in cap hell? They can't take on money and neither can we at this point. There is no way we can get him! like literally no way or am I missing something?

I think people still don't understand how LTIR works, otherwise they wouldn't be including Clarkson.

 

[pld459666]

I dont see how Gorton can get NHL ready assets for Kreider

We have about 8 million in cap space now with Trouba, DeAngelo, Buchnevich and Lemieux to resign and Trouba could potentially take up 7+ million of that.

Kreider, Shattenkirk, Namestnikov and Staal all have to go with minimal retention and minimal NHL caliber returns.

 

[Kupo]

Gusev is a wing right? Can he play center?

Right handed LW, just like Panarin. Playmaker but has a very good shot too (just like Panarin).

 

[Anzi]

and with the fact there are other teams obviously pursuing Gusev which should drive up the price. And aren't the Knights in cap hell? They can't take on money and neither can we at this point. There is no way we can get him! like literally no way or am I missing something?

I think you're right. Plus Gusev doesn't want a long term contract. So at best you get him at $4mil for 3 years. He's going to be 30 by then and he'll want a bigger contract assuming he plays well.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I dont see how Gorton can get NHL ready assets for Kreider

We have about 8 million in cap space now with Trouba, DeAngelo, Buchnevich and Lemieux to resign and Trouba could potentially take up 7+ million of that.

Kreider, Shattenkirk, Namestnikov and Staal all have to go with minimal retention and minimal NHL caliber returns.

Do the assets really have to be NHL ready though? I dont think so, especially with whats happened to the roster since the draft - a straight up adrenaline shot of talent.

Also, now is about the time that the organization is asking if DeAngelo's and Buchnevich's attitude shenanigans are worth the investment.

 

[Kupo]

I dont see how Gorton can get NHL ready assets for Kreider

I'm ok with futures. Hell, get me a 1st next year and a medium add and I'm happy.

 

[GAGLine]

I liked Gusev as a target before we got Panarin. Maybe he can duplicate, or at least come close to, what Panarin did and for less money. Now that we signed Panarin, there's zero chance we trade for Gusev.

 

[pld459666]

Do the assets really have to be NHL ready though? I dont think so, especially with whats happened to the roster since the draft - a straight up adrenaline shot of talent.

Also, now is about the time that the organization is asking if DeAngelo's and Buchnevich's attitude shenanigans are worth the investment.

I honestly do not know what you are referring to in terms of attitude and shenanigans

I don't think either player has demonstrated negative traits in either area

 

[Leetch3]

if trouba and buch don't file for arbitration that means they already have a deal agreed on and just haven't official signed/announced it. if they are still negotiating then it makes no sense to not file to have that leverage

but we shouldn't buy anyone out

 

[LaffyTaffy]

We can currently fit Trouba's contract under our cap. We only need to clear out Namestnikov and bury Smith in the AHL to fit Buch, Lemieux, and Deangelo. If we trade Kreider on top of that for Gusev and sign Gusev to a 2 year 8 million dollar contact we would be saving money off of Kreider.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Folks are gonna be disappointed with the returns on guys we need to move cap wise.

 

[GAGLine]

if trouba and buch don't file for arbitration that means they already have a deal agreed on and just haven't official signed/announced it. if they are still negotiating then it makes no sense to not file to have that leverage

but we shouldn't buy anyone out

We may not have a choice.

 

[pld459666]

We can currently fit Trouba's contract under our cap. We only need to clear out Namestnikov and bury Smith in the AHL to fit Buch, Lemieux, and Deangelo. If we trade Kreider on top of that for Gusev and sign Gusev to a 2 year 8 million dollar contact we would be saving money off of Kreider.

I think both Buch and ADA get 3.5 each.

Between the 4 players, the Rangers need at least 15 million

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

New thread up – beginning with some relevant news to NYR...

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread LVII: On to Arbitration & the 2nd Buyout Window

 

[Leetch3]

We may not have a choice.

there is always a choice...you can always unload bad salaries on teams that need to hit the cap floor, it might cost you something to do it but you can do it

 

[Leetch3]

Folks are gonna be disappointed with the returns on guys we need to move cap wise.

with the exception of kreider or buch, none of the guys being discussed are worth much of anything so if we get nothing back i'd be fine. anything more is a bonus.

 

[pld459666]

I find it funny and amusing that when we were contending, we never had to jump through all of these hoops to be cap compliant

Now, the mathematical gymnastics we have to go through and still expect to miss the POs is comical.

 

[Tawnos]

I find it funny and amusing that when we were contending, we never had to jump through all of these hoops to be cap compliant

Now, the mathematical gymnastics we have to go through and still expect to miss the POs is comical.

Yes we did.

 

[Leetch3]

I find it funny and amusing that when we were contending, we never had to jump through all of these hoops to be cap compliant

Now, the mathematical gymnastics we have to go through and still expect to miss the POs is comical.

we made moves to be cap compliant ie trading hagelin. we just were never bored enough to discuss the possible options lol

 

[GAGLine]

there is always a choice...you can always unload bad salaries on teams that need to hit the cap floor, it might cost you something to do it but you can do it

So you'd rather give up next year's 1st round pick than buy out a player? We could buy out Strome and barely suffer any cap penalties at all. Hell, we could buy out Namestnikov too. Between the two of them, the cap penalties would be less than 2 mil per year. We'd save over 5 mil.

 

[SA16]

So you'd rather give up next year's 1st round pick than buy out a player? We could buy out Strome and barely suffer any cap penalties at all. Hell, we could buy out Namestnikov too. Between the two of them, the cap penalties would be less than 2 mil per year. We'd save over 5 mil.

Can't buy out strome.

 

[GAGLine]

Can't buy out strome.

Yeah, I forgot about the limit. I actually just posted that rule in the other thread.

 

[pld459666]

Yes we did.

I dont ever remember a summer where we needed close to 15 million to sign four players with one of them set to make half of that number themselves

 

[Avery16]

Toronto’s forward squad is sickkk

 

[Tawnos]

I dont ever remember a summer where we needed close to 15 million to sign four players with one of them set to make half of that number themselves

Because we did things earlier like let players go we'd rather have kept (Stralman), bought them out (Richards) or traded them (Hagelin). We often had hoops to jump through to get our cap situation in line. Maybe not as many, but we still had to do them.