Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIX: To trade or not to trade CK?

[Irishguy42]

Someone who is projected to provide elite talent for multiple years and top-line talent for the remaining multiple years?

Yeah, definitely a bad signing that won't have a good positive value down the road

As you can see, the contract he signed is pretty close to market value, albeit a slight overpay, which is to be expected if you're the top free agent on the market.

RB misleading people, once again.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Someone who is projected to provide elite talent for multiple years and top-line talent for the remaining multiple years?

Yeah, definitely a bad signing that won't have a good positive value down the road

As you can see, the contract he signed is pretty close to market value, albeit a slight overpay, which is to be expected if you're the top free agent on the market.

RB misleading people, once again.

Who cares about making a genuine argument when you can push your narrative?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I feel like Strome's season is getting romanticized on here. The guy was just okay. I think the fact that he performed above expectations, and way better than they player we acquired him for is skewing our perceptions of what Strome really is. Put that with his high draft position, and relatively young age, and I think we are overrating him.

The guy can be a decent fill in option, but I won't lose any sleep if we trade him.

I prefer Namestnikov to him as a player.

 

[Vitto79]

I feel like Strome's season is getting romanticized on here. The guy was just okay. I think the fact that he performed above expectations, and way better than they player we acquired him for is skewing our perceptions of what Strome really is. Put that with his high draft position, and relatively young age, and I think we are overrating him.

The guy can be a decent fill in option, but I won't lose any sleep if we trade him.

I prefer Namestnikov to him as a player.

Yea I mean I wouldn’t resign Strome for more than he’s getting now

Who’s the better C is what it comes down too if the kids don’t show up

 

[RGY]

I feel like Strome's season is getting romanticized on here. The guy was just okay. I think the fact that he performed above expectations, and way better than they player we acquired him for is skewing our perceptions of what Strome really is. Put that with his high draft position, and relatively young age, and I think we are overrating him.

The guy can be a decent fill in option, but I won't lose any sleep if we trade him.

I prefer Namestnikov to him as a player.

Namestnikov would disappear for weeks. Just an irrelevant player at times.

Strome seems to be the more competent center when called upon. He is 1-2 years younger and no one is “romanticizing” anything, he was indeed better than Namestnikov.

I would rather see if the younger Strome can build off that play as opposed to seeing if Namestnikov can be more consistent in the reduced role he has compared to leeching off of the star players on Tampa and having success.

And as I said in an earlier post, I do believe Namestnikov bring different things to the table which is why he has value still, however, all of those things are replaceable and I think you can absolutely find someone much cheaper to do it.

 

[Anzi]

IMO Panarin is like a poor man's Gretzky. Among his better assets are his abilities in misdirection, knowing at all times where his teammates and opponents are, being a second and a half ahead of everyone knowing where the puck is going to be.....and he uses these assets to make plays. Another comparable for him would be a superman Mats Zuccarello.

Panarin can finish but that's not primarily what he does. He's not really a one man show--he uses his teammates and the moment we ended up with the 2OA I immediately thought Panarin might be the perfect guy to play with Kakko. Panarin is a player who works well with others and makes those others better. If Panarin is banging in 25-30 a year two/three years from now but Zibanejad has had two more 30 + years and Kakko's pushing at 40 and Kravstov is finishing too we're going to have a pretty damned good offense.

Way JD put it is that he does a lot of what a center does, only at the wing position.

 

[mas0764]

Someone who is projected to provide elite talent for multiple years and top-line talent for the remaining multiple years?

Yeah, definitely a bad signing that won't have a good positive value down the road

As you can see, the contract he signed is pretty close to market value, albeit a slight overpay, which is to be expected if you're the top free agent on the market.

RB misleading people, once again.

But he’ll have negative value.... in year 7.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Namestnikov would disappear for weeks. Just an irrelevant player at times.

Strome seems to be the more competent center when called upon. He is 1-2 years younger and no one is “romanticizing” anything, he was indeed better than Namestnikov.

I would rather see if the younger Strome can build off that play as opposed to seeing if Namestnikov can be more consistent in the reduced role he has compared to leeching off of the star players on Tampa and having success.

And as I said in an earlier post, I do believe Namestnikov bring different things to the table which is why he has value still, however, all of those things are replaceable and I think you can absolutely find someone much cheaper to do it.

I would agree that Namestnikov is replaceable as well, but I think we should keep one of them around. I disagree that Strome was better, but I see the argument

 

[McRanger]

Imagine Panarin only earns $78m out of his $81m contract? We are doomed.

 

[mas0764]

I feel like Strome's season is getting romanticized on here. The guy was just okay. I think the fact that he performed above expectations, and way better than they player we acquired him for is skewing our perceptions of what Strome really is. Put that with his high draft position, and relatively young age, and I think we are overrating him.

The guy can be a decent fill in option, but I won't lose any sleep if we trade him.

I prefer Namestnikov to him as a player.

Push comes to shove I probably do too, but there’s two key differences; Strome is over $2m/yr cheaper and he’s also younger and can presumably improve. Names has reached all he will ever be. Moving him is my top choice just because i don’t see much future here for him. Even if he were open to re-signing here, I’d give him like, Fast money. No more. He’s not gonna take that.

 

[mas0764]

Push comes to shove I probably do too, but there’s two key differences; Strome is over $2m/yr cheaper and he’s also younger and can presumably improve. Names has reached all he will ever be. Moving him is my top choice just because i don’t see much future here for him. Even if he were open to re-signing here, I’d give him like, Fast money. No more. He’s not gonna take that.

Huh, Strome is actually not as young as I thought. He’s younger than Namestnikov but only by a little less than a year.

I thought it was more like 1-2 years difference.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Push comes to shove I probably do too, but there’s two key differences; Strome is over $2m/yr cheaper and he’s also younger and can presumably improve. Names has reached all he will ever be. Moving him is my top choice just because i don’t see much future here for him. Even if he were open to re-signing here, I’d give him like, Fast money. No more. He’s not gonna take that.

Strome AAV - 3.1M
Names AAV - 4M

its only 900k

 

[mas0764]

Strome AAV - 3.1M
Names AAV - 4M

its only 900k

For some reason I was thinking Strome was making 1.9m. Got him confused with Beleskey. I have that Capfriendly chart image in my head and just crossed wires.

 

[RGY]

Huh, Strome is actually not as young as I thought. He’s younger than Namestnikov but only by a little less than a year.

I thought it was more like 1-2 years difference.

Just realized this as well...

However, my main point stands, Strome appears to be the more competent player when called upon. I thought he was more consistently noticeable.

They are offering similar all around games in terms of play on both sides of the puck.

But Strome was a .52 PPG player with the Rangers last season. Namestnikov was a .39 PPG player. Strome was better and he was able to take 260 Faceoffs for us. He can shift to wing more than Namestnikov can shift to center.

The $900K difference is also significant for us.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Just realized this as well...

However, my main point stands, Strome appears to be the more competent player when called upon. I thought he was more consistently noticeable.

They are offering similar all around games in terms of play on both sides of the puck.

But Strome was a .52 PPG player with the Rangers last season. Namestnikov was a .39 PPG player. Strome was better and he was able to take 260 Faceoffs for us. He can shift to wing more than Namestnikov can shift to center.

The $900K difference is also significant for us.

Strome also shot 17% last year, when his career average is 10%
Names shot 9% and his career average is 12%

Doesn't mean anything definitive, but its something to consider that its very possible Strome's season was an anomaly.

 

[NYR Viper]

Just realized this as well...

However, my main point stands, Strome appears to be the more competent player when called upon. I thought he was more consistently noticeable.

They are offering similar all around games in terms of play on both sides of the puck.

But Strome was a .52 PPG player with the Rangers last season. Namestnikov was a .39 PPG player. Strome was better and he was able to take 260 Faceoffs for us. He can shift to wing more than Namestnikov can shift to center.

The $900K difference is also significant for us.

I'm more concerned with their next contracts than their current ones. Strome is a RFA. Namestnikov is a UFA. Just based on that alone Strome should cost less to keep so he seems like the likely candidate to stick around for a bit.

 

[SA16]

I feel like Strome's season is getting romanticized on here. The guy was just okay. I think the fact that he performed above expectations, and way better than they player we acquired him for is skewing our perceptions of what Strome really is. Put that with his high draft position, and relatively young age, and I think we are overrating him.

The guy can be a decent fill in option, but I won't lose any sleep if we trade him.

I prefer Namestnikov to him as a player.

If Strome played exactly the same way but was snakebitten and the goalies made the saves on him and he shot 5% instead of 22.5% almost nobody would advocate for him. That would be 4-15-19 instead of 18-15-33 in 63 games. He didn't shoot 22.5% because he's such an amazing shooter or so good at getting into the right spots. He was fortunate.

I'm more concerned with their next contracts than their current ones. Strome is a RFA. Namestnikov is a UFA. Just based on that alone Strome should cost less to keep so he seems like the likely candidate to stick around for a bit.

Strome's QO next year is going to be 3.2M I wouldn't keep him regardless.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Strome played exactly the same way but was snakebitten and the goalies made the saves on him and he shot 5% instead of 22.5% almost nobody would advocate for him. That would be 4-15-19 instead of 18-15-33 in 63 games. He didn't shoot 22.5% because he's such an amazing shooter or so good at getting into the right spots. He was fortunate.



Strome's QO next year is going to be 3.2M I wouldn't keep him regardless.

If that's what he wants then no, but I would imagine a longer deal for less money would be a very real option for him. Say 3 years @ $2.75-3m per season

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dear JG,

Do something today plz.

 

[Blue Blooded]

And while Strome wasn't a disaster possession-wise, he was bleeding high-danger scoring chances against like no other forward on the team bar Howden (who was the 2nd worst forward in the league at this) while not making up for it at the other end by creating high-danger opportunities.

 

[Raspewtin]

Strome's season isn't just getting romanticized, it's a straight up fairy tale now.

He's a terrible player that shot 20%+ and just happens to be able to play center.

 

[BBKers]

So now a couple of beat writers claim Buchnevich might be on the trade block. Hmmm sounds like Deja Vu to me...

 

[Riche16]

Under ideal circumstances, a guy like Namestnikov is worth what, a third?

Zucc brought two conditional seconds. Zucc is way better than Namestnikov.

There is just no real value to be lost if we have to take less on Namestnikov. We weren’t getting anything to begin with.

The value in a trade for him, for us, IS the cap relief.

Pretty much agree here and that's why JG hasn't dealt him yet. Ultimately, he will but to do so now would be tipping his hand a bit.

At the end of the day, signing Panarin AND trading for Trouba has us in a tight spot. One or the other and we're fine. I'm sure JG had/has a plan just have to wait and see.

I should've prefaced this by saying I didn't like the Names contract from the start but I understand why it was made.

 

[Tawnos]

Eh... if Strome shot at his career average, he still paces out to 30+ points over 82 games, which is really the threshold for 3rd liners in my mind.

I don't think anyone is advocating him as a good option for 2C... just as a potential placeholder.

 

[Kupo]

Names and Strome are both stopgaps here. Neither should be retained long term.